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    Default A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Hi,

    A little different topic. Pls close if inappropriate.

    I was discussing about relationships with a friend yesterday and the topic of PUA came up. He told me to be very very careful. Basically something horrible happened to his cousin in Florida. His cousin had no problem getting girls and had a good life for a 25yo. He met a girl, they ended up in her place and he jumped on the opportunity. He kissed her and put his hand down her pants. The girl freaked out and asked him to leave immediately. He left confused but didn't think much about it. A day later he heard a knock at his door and cops arrested him.

    The girl was in long distance relationship and had just moved to Florida. She was only looking to make friends and invited him back just for chat and coffee. After the incident happened she told her BF about it and he suggested her to get cops involved.

    So the girl accused him of rape and even though there was no hard evidence against him, the lawyer suggested that he is in deep trouble because the girl's word will hold very strongly against him if the matter goes to court. So he was talked into taking a plea bargain of 5years unsupervised probation and registering as sex offender for 10 years. The other option was go to court and risk being imprisoned for 10years. The lawyer mislead him and he didn't do his homework, so it turns out he will have to register himself for the whole life. He lost his job/ apartment/ friends/ freedom to travel, etc.

    Now this is purely based on what my friend said. I don't know what exactly happened and how much truth is there in the story. But I have been reading about how to do physical escalation and never heard any such serious stories. Is it as rare as winning a lottery? Whats your opinion? Know anyone who got in any sort of trouble because of this?

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Does this add up to you? He kissed her and put his hands down her pants. Usually if I'm making a move to put my hands down a girls pants, she has given me some clue that it's ok to do so. Either he was way over zealous or she got buyers remorse and threw him under the bus to her boyfriend when she confessed. Either way, I don't think this is anything anyone really has to worry about.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Suave Kino View Post
    Does this add up to you? He kissed her and put his hands down her pants. Usually if I'm making a move to put my hands down a girls pants, she has given me some clue that it's ok to do so. Either he was way over zealous or she got buyers remorse and threw him under the bus to her boyfriend when she confessed. Either way, I don't think this is anything anyone really has to worry about.
    You are quiet right that there is nothing to panic.But I am seeing videos on youtube and the PUA's just go on and kiss the girl while she is in conversation. Simple PickUp Guys to be exact. My only thing was if you do something like this and get in trouble. Thats why I asked if its as rare as winning a lottery.


    Thanks for your reply.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Sounds like the guy screwed up. I would have taken it to court.

    You have to be careful however. Laws are favoring women more and more. At allot of universities it's considered rape if you don't get a verbal yes from the girl. It doesn't matter if the girl is ripping your clothes off she still has to give verbal consent. Also, if the girl has had any alcohol she cant give permission for consensual sex. If this is the definition I've been raped several times when I was drunk and the girl was completely sober.

    I'm all for the prosecution of sex offenders but the laws are starting to become too outrageous. It's getting to the point where a woman can claim rape, even if it was consensual at the time, and you're climbing an uphill battle.

    It all stems from our society's perception that a woman's value lies in her sexual exclusivity. Since women are under so much pressure to appear to be "good girls" they will do whatever they can to avoid responsibility for sexual acts. This is why you hear so many girls use the statement "It just happened" when they explain that they hooked up with someone. This is also why one of the most common fantasies women have is "rape" fantasies. This is also why some girls claim rape when they actually haven't been raped. People found out about it and she didn't want to appear to be a slut.

    I've actually been accused of rape at a party from this HB9 who I hadn't even touched. I said something she didn't like, she left the room and told everyone I tried to rape her, then she left the party. Luckily all my friends were at the party and laughed about it. If I was somewhere else I could have easily been beaten up.

    I got the upper hand on her. I saw her at a bar a week later and I chewed her out for 45 minutes. Before you know it she was sitting on my lap and making out with me. She then chased me for 6 months while I strung her along.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    To the most part, I agree with Direct. Anything relating to the law in the PUA community directly impacts you. Reason so is because you never know what's going to happen. You don't know if a girl is single or taken. You don't know if she's going to make outrageous claims against you just so she doesn't look like a slut. Now this can be a two way street, as Direct pointed out. Girls have raped guys before, hell, there was a guy on my campus who got raped by another guy. The problem is, and as I'm putting in this post at the bottom with a video revealing this, society has been conditioned into believing that women are the victims and men are the perpetrators.

    Now should you ignore this because it doesn't pertain to you? For me, it is a resounding no, especially if you're a business professional. Being careful is a hell of a lot better than risking to destroy your career. Does this mean that you shouldn't be a PUA? Absolutely not! It just means that you have to be careful about who you talk to and what you do. This is where I do agree with Suave, because it does sound like your friend was overzealous and ignored potential warning signs. If he did run his game right, either he would have recognized she was taken and backed out, she was uncomfortable with doing stuff and backed out, or eliminated the buyers remorse. No matter which scenario we're talking about, he made an error, and he paid dearly for it.

    Like I said before, just be careful about who you talk to, make sure you detect those warning signs, and always respect the space and security of women. If you do all of that, you should be fine.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Well this is certainly something to consider when trying to seduce a woman. However, I think if you are both on the same page and know how to calibrate you should not have anything resembling this problem. This guy was either a very inexperienced PUA or just didn't have a clue about women and got lucky most of the time.

    I remember when I was in college there was a guy in my building who happened to be from Europe who was kicked out for date rape. I remember this same guy bragging to me that he slept with four women in one month. I can only assume the date rape thing was with one of these women. I don't think I ever really heard the whole story from him but this guy did not seem like a rapist or criminal to me. A lot of times women will get scared and cry rape after they realize they should not have slept with the guy. So what you want to do is make the woman feel good. You can even say things like "are you sure you want to do this..." or "maybe we shouldn't...." "maybe we should just kiss until we get to know each other better." I think it has to be as much her idea as yours. In fact you want to make it seem like it's even more her idea than yours if possible so she doesn't feel like she has buyers remorse.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Yes, that is one of the best techniques or you could you the blame attraction technique; "why are you doing this to me", "Can you please stop doing that thing with your eyes, the dark night is rising"/ Basically blame the escalation on her. All you got to do is sit back and relax; she will do the rest.

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    Well, that's not guaranteed to work but at least it will separate you from all the other guys who are coming from the needy perspective. She could very well be like "yeah, you wish" to which you reply "how do you know, are you psychic? How many fingers am I holding up?"

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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    You both bring up some good points. Regardless, and as Mystik points out, you can't be playing offensive the whole time. Sometimes, especially in situations like that, it's good to play aggressive defense, just because it reduces the risk of her crying foul play.

    Another thing I want to bring up is the fact we're PUAs. Because we do what we do, we're already under greater scrutiny and misconceptions. In a court of law, nobody is going to believe that a PUA was in the art for "improving themselves" or "becoming a better man". They're going to look at you and see a horn dog looking for ways to increase his chances of farking someone hotter than they are. Thus, in order to protect ourselves from that situation, we have a higher standard of care we must exhibit towards women. We must always guarantee that they are comfortable with doing something, and we must always guarantee that their "yes" is a sure and positive confirmation that they are alright with doing what you want to do.
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    Default Re: A little sensitive topic- PUA and Law

    It's always good practice to kiss the girl before you pull her into a sex location so you set a precedent. It sounds like the guy was uncalibrated and probably escalated too quickly to cause such a strong reaction. You have to build escalation and calibrate to her behaviors.
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