as some of you may know, I turned 21 several months ago. starting a few weeks ago I became a regular a chill 18+ club called vice where some of my other field reports occurred. most nights I just go out with friends to knok back a few smirnov ice's and shoot pool. (and honestly I've had much more fun on nights like that then nights where I went out specifically to get laid)
but getting to the point, many of the girls I run into always end up doing the same two things:
A) really drunk chicks grope and beg and swoon for attention from me based solely on the combination of above average looks and just enough whit to mess with their heads. these women are not particularly attractive to me. feels like fishing in a barrel. worse yet, I don't want to hook up with these chicks because I am fearful that they won't be as attracted to me when we wake up next to each other in the morning. that would be by far the worst feeling I can think of. the idea that women are only attracted to me when they're intoxicated...
B) girls play coy even when they are attracted. when I show them that I don't play this game they lose interest or go hit on my friends in an effort to force me to make more effort. this always ends with me walking away disgusted. its sad that society has taught these women that they have to mess with a guys head so he'll like them. furthermore, games like this only hurt a mans self esteem. (why can't women be more direct without being completely shitfaced?) makes me feel like chugging rubbing alcohol and f*cking a cheese grader (thankfully none of my friends sell pampered chef lol)
I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that I want to meet cool laid back girls who aren't to challenging or too easy. the only girls like that I've met at bars where usually taken or quickly became one of the two options above after 15 minutes of conversation and a drink or two...
case in point, last night I was out with two of my friends, we were having a good time, I ran into some other friends of mine and a guy who knew plenty of people I did and had my level of enthusiasm about motorcycles and other "guy topics" most of the night I shot pool and cleaned house (only lost one game despite the fact that some of my competitors were really good) sometime during the night I noticed a cute girl wearing a belly shirt (she reminded me of a previous girlfriend except she was slightly taller and didn't have quite as much belly) didn't really approach her though because I was enjoying the company of my friends (caught her making a few glances though)
so, at the end of the night the two friends I brought were walking back to the parking garage with me. we noticed this severely intoxicated dude slumpt over on the sidewalk and couldn't just leave him there. so Helen bent down and talked to him, he was slurring something about needing to get home and not knowing where his friends were. I told him I would make sure he got home safely.
turns out his friends were bellyshirt and her friend bigblackgirl, they came over and talked to us jay and I made some Fluff conversation with them about college and sh!t and alcohol. I left them to to the restroom and when I got back the two girls were gone, so we waited and they came back after hitting on some dudes who came out of a bar down the street. bellyshirt specifically mentions how she wants a black dude and none of the dudes where black. her friend bbg is slightly less intoxicated and is looking for whatever she can get.
so I leave my Helen and jay at the bar while I get the trio back to drunkdudes place. on the way there bbg sits up front and plugs her phone into my stereo system (because the rock I usually listen to isn't appealing to her) I tell her "play me some gangsta rap!" I immediately regret the words that came out of my mouth and become envious of the deaf... but hey, it kept them occupied while I got them back to the apartment complex. I get them to the dudes place where drunkdude almost immediately passes out on the floor in his bedroom.
somewhere around that time I was being direct with bellyshirt this turned bbg into exhibit A and she grabs my ass on the way up the stairs to drunkdudes place. bellyshirt enjoys the flattery but doesn't really flirt back much she is turning into exhibit B
we go in and the girls dress down right in front of me bellyshirt changes into a cut out tee-shirt and trades her leggings for booty shorts that she was apparently wearing under them the whole time... bellyshirt at least turns away from me while she does this. bbg's approach is much less flattering she drops her pants to the floor and forgets about them for a few minutes of course the worst part of this is that her belly hangs down over her lingerie she throws off her top shirt practically has her tits hanging out of her bra and undershirt. after talking for a few minutes bellyshirt thinks its time for me to leave, to witch I agree completely. they follow me out to my car. outside we talk some more and I switch back to teasing both of them. some jocks are out running (at 3 am for whatever reason...) bellyshirt calls them over and asks them how drunk they are, the one says he's completely sober right before falling down, we mock him mercilessly. in addition, I switch frames to "you guys can have these chicks I'm out of here" this causes two things to happen 1. the girls refocus their attention to me and 2. the girls send those guys away. non-neediness is a powerful thing especially when its as genuine as it was that night. (I really was only taking them home because I was concerned for the dudes safety)
now that jocks are gone, bellyshirt switches from exhibit B to exhibit A now both girls just want to wake up regretful in the morning. I tell them i'll get my friends and we'll have an after party. the girls are more than enthusiastic about it. bellyshirt gives me her number without me asking for it and bbg hugs me and kisses me on the lips (forcefully) before I go.
on my way back to the bar, I am psyched about the opportunity to possibly make things happen with bellyshirt. however I soon find out Helen has to work in the morning and I have to get her back to her place a good 15 miles away. jay is tired and cranky. possibly upset about the idea of the after party (he does not like how the girls didn't seem to care much for drunkdude who came there with them, and thus desires to chop them up with a slingblade lol) I call bellyshirt and we talk for a few minutes, she's disappointed I couldn't come back and makes me promise to go to that same bar tonight for some 420 stoner fest shit (I know for a fact they'll be even more wasted tonight if I go meet them, because they specifically talked about it)
to complicate things farther, a family member has a birthday today and thus I might not even get out tonight. also the girls are only in town for the weekend. but that doesn't disappoint me too much because they are both immature 18 year olds with fake id's.
I'm sure I could probably f*ck either of them if I went out solo tonight, but my desire for them is waning...
so my question for the other experts is simple: do you guys close girls who aren't in their right minds? or do you just release them after realizing you could do anything you wanted with them? this is a serious moral dilemma for me, because I desire to f*ck sober chicks, but drunk chicks are easier to make conversation with. also sober chicks are mostly giving me exhibit B. I don't want exhibit A or B. I want a woman to like me for who I am, and I don't want to be wrapped around her finger, or constantly having to deal with shitty coy behavior. is there a real solution here? a better outcome to get?
I would be particularly interested in what the all stars have to say, as well as a few reputable others like bimmer,HYP, dragonsfire12, hardrock, directisbest, ect...
don't reply to this thread unless you have serious good advice to give, I will negative rep you if you just say I need to suck it up and f*ck girls who won't even remember my name in the morning.
I look forward to your replies guys,