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    Exclamation my new delima... meteora

    as some of you may know, I turned 21 several months ago. starting a few weeks ago I became a regular a chill 18+ club called vice where some of my other field reports occurred. most nights I just go out with friends to knok back a few smirnov ice's and shoot pool. (and honestly I've had much more fun on nights like that then nights where I went out specifically to get laid)

    but getting to the point, many of the girls I run into always end up doing the same two things:

    A) really drunk chicks grope and beg and swoon for attention from me based solely on the combination of above average looks and just enough whit to mess with their heads. these women are not particularly attractive to me. feels like fishing in a barrel. worse yet, I don't want to hook up with these chicks because I am fearful that they won't be as attracted to me when we wake up next to each other in the morning. that would be by far the worst feeling I can think of. the idea that women are only attracted to me when they're intoxicated...

    B) girls play coy even when they are attracted. when I show them that I don't play this game they lose interest or go hit on my friends in an effort to force me to make more effort. this always ends with me walking away disgusted. its sad that society has taught these women that they have to mess with a guys head so he'll like them. furthermore, games like this only hurt a mans self esteem. (why can't women be more direct without being completely shitfaced?) makes me feel like chugging rubbing alcohol and f*cking a cheese grader (thankfully none of my friends sell pampered chef lol)


    I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that I want to meet cool laid back girls who aren't to challenging or too easy. the only girls like that I've met at bars where usually taken or quickly became one of the two options above after 15 minutes of conversation and a drink or two...

    case in point, last night I was out with two of my friends, we were having a good time, I ran into some other friends of mine and a guy who knew plenty of people I did and had my level of enthusiasm about motorcycles and other "guy topics" most of the night I shot pool and cleaned house (only lost one game despite the fact that some of my competitors were really good) sometime during the night I noticed a cute girl wearing a belly shirt (she reminded me of a previous girlfriend except she was slightly taller and didn't have quite as much belly) didn't really approach her though because I was enjoying the company of my friends (caught her making a few glances though)

    so, at the end of the night the two friends I brought were walking back to the parking garage with me. we noticed this severely intoxicated dude slumpt over on the sidewalk and couldn't just leave him there. so Helen bent down and talked to him, he was slurring something about needing to get home and not knowing where his friends were. I told him I would make sure he got home safely.

    turns out his friends were bellyshirt and her friend bigblackgirl, they came over and talked to us jay and I made some Fluff conversation with them about college and sh!t and alcohol. I left them to to the restroom and when I got back the two girls were gone, so we waited and they came back after hitting on some dudes who came out of a bar down the street. bellyshirt specifically mentions how she wants a black dude and none of the dudes where black. her friend bbg is slightly less intoxicated and is looking for whatever she can get.

    so I leave my Helen and jay at the bar while I get the trio back to drunkdudes place. on the way there bbg sits up front and plugs her phone into my stereo system (because the rock I usually listen to isn't appealing to her) I tell her "play me some gangsta rap!" I immediately regret the words that came out of my mouth and become envious of the deaf... but hey, it kept them occupied while I got them back to the apartment complex. I get them to the dudes place where drunkdude almost immediately passes out on the floor in his bedroom.

    somewhere around that time I was being direct with bellyshirt this turned bbg into exhibit A and she grabs my ass on the way up the stairs to drunkdudes place. bellyshirt enjoys the flattery but doesn't really flirt back much she is turning into exhibit B


    we go in and the girls dress down right in front of me bellyshirt changes into a cut out tee-shirt and trades her leggings for booty shorts that she was apparently wearing under them the whole time... bellyshirt at least turns away from me while she does this. bbg's approach is much less flattering she drops her pants to the floor and forgets about them for a few minutes of course the worst part of this is that her belly hangs down over her lingerie she throws off her top shirt practically has her tits hanging out of her bra and undershirt. after talking for a few minutes bellyshirt thinks its time for me to leave, to witch I agree completely. they follow me out to my car. outside we talk some more and I switch back to teasing both of them. some jocks are out running (at 3 am for whatever reason...) bellyshirt calls them over and asks them how drunk they are, the one says he's completely sober right before falling down, we mock him mercilessly. in addition, I switch frames to "you guys can have these chicks I'm out of here" this causes two things to happen 1. the girls refocus their attention to me and 2. the girls send those guys away. non-neediness is a powerful thing especially when its as genuine as it was that night. (I really was only taking them home because I was concerned for the dudes safety)


    now that jocks are gone, bellyshirt switches from exhibit B to exhibit A now both girls just want to wake up regretful in the morning. I tell them i'll get my friends and we'll have an after party. the girls are more than enthusiastic about it. bellyshirt gives me her number without me asking for it and bbg hugs me and kisses me on the lips (forcefully) before I go.

    on my way back to the bar, I am psyched about the opportunity to possibly make things happen with bellyshirt. however I soon find out Helen has to work in the morning and I have to get her back to her place a good 15 miles away. jay is tired and cranky. possibly upset about the idea of the after party (he does not like how the girls didn't seem to care much for drunkdude who came there with them, and thus desires to chop them up with a slingblade lol) I call bellyshirt and we talk for a few minutes, she's disappointed I couldn't come back and makes me promise to go to that same bar tonight for some 420 stoner fest shit (I know for a fact they'll be even more wasted tonight if I go meet them, because they specifically talked about it)

    to complicate things farther, a family member has a birthday today and thus I might not even get out tonight. also the girls are only in town for the weekend. but that doesn't disappoint me too much because they are both immature 18 year olds with fake id's.

    I'm sure I could probably f*ck either of them if I went out solo tonight, but my desire for them is waning...

    so my question for the other experts is simple: do you guys close girls who aren't in their right minds? or do you just release them after realizing you could do anything you wanted with them? this is a serious moral dilemma for me, because I desire to f*ck sober chicks, but drunk chicks are easier to make conversation with. also sober chicks are mostly giving me exhibit B. I don't want exhibit A or B. I want a woman to like me for who I am, and I don't want to be wrapped around her finger, or constantly having to deal with shitty coy behavior. is there a real solution here? a better outcome to get?

    I would be particularly interested in what the all stars have to say, as well as a few reputable others like bimmer,HYP, dragonsfire12, hardrock, directisbest, ect...

    don't reply to this thread unless you have serious good advice to give, I will negative rep you if you just say I need to suck it up and f*ck girls who won't even remember my name in the morning.

    I look forward to your replies guys,
    meteora

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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    I'll actually leave exhibit A alone if I convince myself that I can f*ck them. Call me old fashioned but I don't wanna have sex just to empty my balls. I wanna have fun, I wanna get kinky and I wanna laugh and honestly drunk chicks make that too hard.

    For exhibit B, I feel you. Sometimes I feel like I'm up to the challenge and take on those girls but I usually find out that it isn't much rewarding. Girls playing too hard to get usually end up being shallow chicks since they spend a lot of time building up those b1tch shields but not their personality.

    My only advice would be trying out different game fields. It sounds a bit cliché but although the atmosphere in bars is already kinda set for gaming, the quality of the chicks can be questionable for most of the nights. I'm not particularly saying it has to be day game (I find day game a bit too overwhelming), but you can expand your night game to different areas rather than bars. Like maybe a dance club, a theater (like the real theater, not the cinema), some place that can involve activities and hobbies other than drinking and playing pool.

    Just my 2 cents bro, hope it helps.
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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    I'll actually leave exhibit A alone if I convince myself that I can f*ck them. Call me old fashioned but I don't wanna have sex just to empty my balls. I wanna have fun, I wanna get kinky and I wanna laugh and honestly drunk chicks make that too hard.
    this pretty much sums up how I feel about exhibit A and the whole reason I wrote this post. I am really starting to dislike meeting shallow drunk girls. I want to see some personality, I want them to tell me they have actually hobbies aside from doing drugs, watching Netflix, and consuming large amounts of alcohol.

    I guess I'm expecting too much from these bar chicks....

    My only advice would be trying out different game fields.
    yeah... I live in a small college town (less than 100 thousand people, many of whom are college kids from out of state) about all the entertainment we have here is our surprising amount of bars for such a small town (there's 15+ bars in the downtown area witch is conveniently located right next to the college campus) about all we have for entertainment are bars, restaurants and a couple bowling alleys (both of witch are also bars lol) here, its pretty much bars or daygame on campus. (I suppose there is a mall too, but most of the people there are high school kids who are off limits...)

    thanks for your two cents.

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    A certain percentage of the population in bars are there to blow of steam and get drunk. Maybe they just finished a difficult paper, or they had a bad day or just got out of a faithful 2 year long relationship and is just ready to jump at something new, or whatever. One mistake people make is assuming that the girl who is "easy" tonight isn't a really awesome girl the rest of the time. Personally, I've never taken a girl directly home from a bar. I have, however, had them standing next to my car when I leave, begging me to take them home. I have always said no.

    Personally, it creeps me out to take a total stranger back to my place. I have valuables. I also don't want to go back to theirs... god knows what's waiting for me there! So I get their phone number, possibly K-close (although most of the time I don't even bother because, like you, I'm turned off at this point). I then tell them to text me when they get home and I get them to start sending me sexy pics and show me what I'm missing out on. In my experience, this practically guarantees me a hookup later on... if I want it. And then I spend a few days texting her and getting to know her. The advantage here is that I have all the time in the world to set whatever frame I want. If I just want a casual hook up, I can make sure she's on the same page before she comes over. It also gives you time to see what she's really like, getting a feel for her personality and also determining if she's totally reckless or just happened to be out for a night of fun.

    If she's on the sketchier side and you don't want to be involved with her, then that's the kind of girl you Pivot. Use her for dhv, invite her out with her friends, etc. From there, you can start running more social circle game, expand your options, and over time, start to cultivate classier opportunities for yourself.
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    I then tell them to text me when they get home and I get them to start sending me sexy pics and show me what I'm missing out on. In my experience, this practically guarantees me a hookup later on... if I want it. And then I spend a few days texting her and getting to know her. The advantage here is that I have all the time in the world to set whatever frame I want.
    seems good in theory, reminds me of one night when a girl gave me a fake number and I ended up getting sexy pics from a girl who worked nights at a gas station in Vermont lol

    though I'm not nuts about follow up with girls who barely remember me, but this actually seems like the best option for now. as you may know, text game isn't exactly my thing, though I do shine at it from time to time.

    ever turn any drunk bar girls you met into long term fb's using this method???

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    Yes. It works like a charm for getting fb's because you can choose a frame and set it really solidly over the course of a few days or a week. This one girl, after texting for a few days, I told her that she could come over but that I only wanted a bj. She said that was cool and that she loves giving bj's. So she came over and gave me head. Since then, I see her about 1-3 times a month. She texts me late in the evening, asks if I'm around, comes by, gives me a bj, and leaves and then I don't hear from her again - no texts, no messages, no nothing... until a few weeks later when she texts me again. We've been doing this for about 4 or 5 months now. Sometimes I'll fuck her too, but usually it's just a bj.

    And that relationship has been steady and dependable. Because I set the frame.

    The key is, she may not remember you that well, but she's already sent you the pics. So basically, she's already been kinda slutty with you, even if you didn't hookup. So that causes her to backwards rationalize her own behavior and causes her to think that she must really like you. Otherwise, she has to admit to herself that she's a "bad" girl. At that point, it's just easier for her to accept that she's in a fb type of relationship.


    As for texting game, it's really easy in these types of situations. She's already basically come out to you as a sexual being. She's laid it all on the table. There's no going back. So all you're really doing with the text game is building rapport and setting the frame. The attraction side is already done. So you can basically tell her anything. You don't have to play games or send fun texts or any of that stuff. You simply get to know her, figure out logistics, good times and places to meet, and of course, set the frame. In my case I usually take this time to explain that I'm polyamorous and am not looking for anything too serious.
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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    Girls playing too hard to get usually end up being shallow chicks since they spend a lot of time building up those b1tch shields but not their personality.


    Lol. That was awesome.


    So my question for the other experts is simple: do you guys close girls who aren't in their right minds? or do you just release them after realizing you could do anything you wanted with them? this is a serious moral dilemma for me, because I desire to f*ck sober chicks, but drunk chicks are easier to make conversation with. also sober chicks are mostly giving me exhibit B. I don't want exhibit A or B. I want a woman to like me for who I am, and I don't want to be wrapped around her finger, or constantly having to deal with shitty coy behavior. is there a real solution here? a better outcome to get?

    I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that I want to meet cool laid back girls who aren't to challenging or too easy.




    A few things,


    Do you close girls not in their right minds? No. That was an easy one.


    Do you let them go after you've won the game? That depends on why you're playing. The reason you struggle with this is because your motives and intentions aren't clear to yourself, let alone the women you're interacting with.


    There's a lot I can say, but I'm not sure what you need to hear. Blackbird's right in that people go to bars for different reasons, some of them have nothing to do with meeting people. I don't doubt that you can meet cool people in bars, and I have, but that's pretty much the only place I see them.


    Real Talk: You want to meet cool, laid back girls that aren't too easy? That's pretty simple, seeing how cool girls aren't easy. You want to meet cool, laid back girls that aren't too challenging? Then they wouldn't be cool.


    I'll say this because I know your basic philosophies and general outlook on life: Women are no different than anything else when it comes to value, effort, and reward. The guys that like easy women will also happily accept any handout you'll give them. You're not one of those guys. You appreciate what you work for, and what you work for doesn't come easy.


    Change up your venues and continue to work on your inner game. You're doing great, and it'll only get better.
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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    The reason you struggle with this is because your motives and intentions aren't clear to yourself, let alone the women you're interacting with.
    I think you're completely right, I need to meditate on this and figure out exactly what I'm looking for...


    Real Talk: You want to meet cool, laid back girls that aren't too easy? That's pretty simple, seeing how cool girls aren't easy. You want to meet cool, laid back girls that aren't too challenging? Then they wouldn't be cool.
    I suppose so, I just hate the idea that I have to work hard for cool girls, but when I try to make them work hard to be with me many of them just get bitchy about it and don't want to put in the effort because they have many options...


    The guys that like easy women will also happily accept any handout you'll give them. You're not one of those guys. You appreciate what you work for, and what you work for doesn't come easy.
    I think you're right, I appreciate what I work for, I just don't want to feel like all my work is for nothing (witch is how I feel about exhibit B girls...)

    Change up your venues and continue to work on your inner game. You're doing great, and it'll only get better.
    thank you, I will continue to get out as often as I can and hopefully i'll have some good field reports coming out in the following months.

    you're the man cody, I knew I could count on you.

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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    I think you're completely right, I need to meditate on this and figure out exactly what I'm looking for...

    You go, man.


    It sounds stupid simple, but success and happiness basically come down to two things:


    1. Knowing what you want.
    2. Knowing how you're going to get it.


    Figure out those two things and you'll be doing better than 98% of the world population.


    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    I suppose so, I just hate the idea that I have to work hard for cool girls, but when I try to make them work hard to be with me many of them just get bitchy about it and don't want to put in the effort because they have many options...


    I think you're right, I appreciate what I work for, I just don't want to feel like all my work is for nothing (witch is how I feel about exhibit B girls...)

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    I love this forum, but something that we need to clarify is that in order to be successful with women, the healthiest way to do it is by being successful at something else. That's what naturals do. I, and many other guys, became / become successful with women because they were / are successful with women (inertia). It's not healthy, because the second you remove that from a guy's life he is no longer successful in his own eyes. That's why good PUAs who place their value in their PU skills can't maintain relationship. Their confidence slips because it's dependent on their ability to pick up women, it hurts the dynamic of the relationship, and they hop back in the game even though it doesn't make them truly happy.


    You say these girls have many options. Do they? This is going to be a little personal and I'm sorry if it hurts, but if they have many options it's because they have many options for guys like you.


    I have many beautiful, successful, single female friends. It's not from a lack of men hitting on them. They don't ask for much, but what they seek is scarce. They want men with a strong sense of purpose. How many men do you know who have that? Do you have that?

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    Default Re: my new delima... meteora

    You say these girls have many options. Do they? This is going to be a little personal and I'm sorry if it hurts, but if they have many options it's because they have many options for guys like you.
    ouch...

    reminds me of a quote that read "be a better person, not a better pick up artist"

    I suppose I just need to work on having more to offer rather than on having better pick up skills....

    They want men with a strong sense of purpose. How many men do you know who have that? Do you have that?
    damn... that one sentence pretty much sums up life. "find your purpose and everything else will fall into place"

    guess I just haven't found mine yet...


    maybe that's where so many guys go wrong, they try to find women before they find themselves....


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