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    Default Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Hey guys so I wanted to discuss this issue and hear other people's opinions on this.

    I feel like all these pickup forums, sites, tutorials, videos, or whatever seems like they just try too hard, when in reality I think it would be much less of a headache if you don't know any of these techniques and just approach the women you want to approach. Most of the stuff said on PUA Forums are general knowledge (at least that's what I think).

    I think its general knowledge for a guy trying to approach a girl that he doesn't try too hard and open with a normal sentence like "Hi, whats you're name?" so in my opinion all these openers and different approach techniques are deemed useless.

    I think the problem with people who are having trouble picking up women is not in teaching them "the art of pickup" but in teaching them some inner game and how to have the confidence to approach a girl and start a conversation with her. If she likes him, she likes him, if she doesn't then screw her go look for another one.

    What do you guys think?

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbonn View Post
    I think the problem with people who are having trouble picking up women is not in teaching them "the art of pickup" but in teaching them some inner game and how to have the confidence to approach a girl and start a conversation with her. If she likes him, she likes him, if she doesn't then screw her go look for another one.
    You are right. That's why the concept of "Inner Game" is so important. In fact, the modern day pickup focuses only on inner game, those techniques and routines are considered as old school now. But if you dig deep, you'll realize that the purpose of routines and techniques is also the same. i.e to get your Inner Game better by getting you more responses. The guys who aren't getting success, are missing the point of all these techniques or focusing on the wrong aspect at the wrong time.

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Yeah exactly. I also want to emphasize practice. Since most people think there is a "Secret technique" or ritual in order to pick up women, they focus so much on the "art of pickup" and neglect their inner game. People with aa or people who lack confidence in approaching women look for a specific method in order for them to generate 100% success with women, when that will never happen. In order to improve one must throw himself in these experiences, get rejected a few times, learn from his mistakes, build his character, and then he will be able to do whatever he wants around the ladies.

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbonn View Post
    Yeah exactly. I also want to emphasize practice. Since most people think there is a "Secret technique" or ritual in order to pick up women, they focus so much on the "art of pickup" and neglect their inner game. People with aa or people who lack confidence in approaching women look for a specific method in order for them to generate 100% success with women, when that will never happen. In order to improve one must throw himself in these experiences, get rejected a few times, learn from his mistakes, build his character, and then he will be able to do whatever he wants around the ladies.
    Agreed. This is one of those myths you know that every guy has "Those guys have a secret technique or secret method that I don't know". While in reality, its all that those guys are approaching more, hence more practise and more results.

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Most of it is useless information that is usually already known. But that's speaking strictly for myself. But, sometimes I get into a jam and some stuff works out

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    I like to read all the books...

    Go out, then read them again after a few months some of it is clearer...

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Now the PUA culture has gone pretty tangential recently because people are mentally masturbating to this shit, and making weird little scenarios in their head. I agree these routines and things you learn from a lot of books is super useless. But there is material that can teach you foundational skill sets such as non-neediness, how to hold open relationships, how to deal with bitchy girls, what different girls think (like 5's and 10's how they think differently), body language, vocal tonality, etc. These are better learned through a mentor though.

    These are the things people should really be working on instead of "what line to say when the girl says she has a boyfriend while facing East before the sunset with the starbucks cup in her left hand" or "how to open a tinder girl with 4 profile pictures of her with other guys who are jocks and musicians riding a boat with a bottle of Hennessy projecting high value".

    The real pickup masters are those who learn to be natural, and are improving their lifestyle in and out of "pickup" (that word kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth lol. Learned naturals get the girls through charm, not some fake bullshit they looked up online and fronted until a dumb girl who knows how to do her make up right fell for it.


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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Quote Originally Posted by lifestylebible View Post
    Now the PUA culture has gone pretty tangential recently because people are mentally masturbating to this shit, and making weird little scenarios in their head. I agree these routines and things you learn from a lot of books is super useless. But there is material that can teach you foundational skill sets such as non-neediness, how to hold open relationships, how to deal with bitchy girls, what different girls think (like 5's and 10's how they think differently), body language, vocal tonality, etc. These are better learned through a mentor though.

    These are the things people should really be working on instead of "what line to say when the girl says she has a boyfriend while facing East before the sunset with the starbucks cup in her left hand" or "how to open a tinder girl with 4 profile pictures of her with other guys who are jocks and musicians riding a boat with a bottle of Hennessy projecting high value".

    The real pickup masters are those who learn to be natural, and are improving their lifestyle in and out of "pickup" (that word kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth lol. Learned naturals get the girls through charm, not some fake bullshit they looked up online and fronted until a dumb girl who knows how to do her make up right fell for it.


    -lifestyle
    Pretty much summed it up, respect.

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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    Thanks bro. Learned that shit the hard way lol. Hoping others read this before it's too late that they get into the scene too heavily wasting their time. Unfortunately the people who end up getting into this stuff are the ones who are super susceptible to getting fooled into thinking they have to read 1000 books before they can actually get a girl, when in reality it's so much simpler.
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    Default Re: Pick up - seems like it try's too hard

    The thing with PUA is that it's a massive market. Like anything else, people make allot of money and they want you to think they have the "secret" to picking up women. It's ridiculous how susceptible people are to marketing and how brainwashed people get from it. If you've read the game, the guru's and their followers are extremely cult like.

    The most common question from inexperienced guys is "what do I say?!". So guys give them something to say because that's what they wanted, and they feel better about approaching women armed with that. I hate that question myself, because once you've figured it out, what you say is the least important thing.


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