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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    You have a good point.

    Todays power is most based on money or society status like.

    Bill Gates, and Obama.

    These are 2 alpha males, because they are in a leadership position.

    Do you think bill or obama can catch any woman they want to? No.

    I mean, my point isnt actually to show that beeing a womanizer and having a high social inteligence is not an alpha behavior, my point is to show, that alpha thing isnt choosen by woman.

    The most desired man, isnt an alpha hes just a very desired man.


    My point is, that i think that most of the pick up theories are wrong. Not all, but most of them.

    The social inteligence part is a good part, some stuff from PUA works great, but some others doesnt.

    Every single PUA master has a lot of mistakes and wholes in their theories, like mystery and janka.

    There is a diferente biological trigger on woman brain than man.

    We want beautiful woman.

    They want a provider, a guy who can keep her and her kids.
    Doesnt mean he has to be superich or supercool, and social.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    First off, I'd like to start with the fact that I think it's kind of strange that you drop into our forums with a one sentence "theory" that isn't backed up by arguments and is supposed to bring down something that has proven itself thousands of times. (I have been following this thread). But if you have doubts, you have every right to discuss it.

    Furthermore, no one in the world can have any woman they want. Because in order to do so, you need to have perfect looks, perfect game, and perfect inner game. Which just isn't possible because everyone has flaws, no matter how big or small they are.

    You're saying that in ancient times, alpha males were the womanizers because they returned from battle as heroes, had shown strength and everyone knew not to mess with them. In that case, huge smelly morons with scars an enormous body would be having girls all over them. But they don't.

    The ancient alpha males actually had the same qualities the current ones do: high Social Status (the leader), confidence (some girl's comment won't harm them), good body language (because of their confidence), sexuality (not being afraid of touching/hitting on women) and knowing how to deal with women.

    As to "An ancient alpha male is a brute warrior, not a womanizer with lots of female psychology knowledge": The one, most important thing we do is to survive by reproduction. Therefore the womanizer is more important than a leader. And therefore he is the alpha male.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    its so hard to discuss in english.

    well, alpha male parameters change with the time and society.

    And im not saying that womanizers today arent alpha males, im saying that in the past they werent.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    In the original post you were saying that today's PUA theories were incorrect because they don't make us alpha males. Now you're saying that we are alpha males today, because the definition of alpha changes with time and society.

    This means today's PUA's are alpha males and the theories are right. Your last comment completely destroyed your own theory.

    I don't know if you've read a lot on modern alpha males/PUA yet, but I know some books actually have a comparisation between ancient alpha males and modern ones. Can't remember where I read it, but it's there.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    but beeing a good provider and care taker means u're an alpha male.
    Why aren't u getting this: it's not in strength or in size, beeing an alpha means having a srong personality 'periode' no barbarian stuff no war heroes, nothing just a guy who doesn't let other guys disrespect him and respects other people that will give u a sort of leadership which women find attractive.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    Ok, first of all who defines alpha?

    Society in general, not only woman.

    Then i would say, alpha needs to be sucessfull.

    You can be a natural alpha but a real life looser, because you can have the skills but it doesnt mean you will have success. Success = skill+lucky.

    I think, people in PUA talk too much about alpha in a way that it sounds like, oh im alpha im cool.

    This doesnt exists. Woman like this X kind of behavior, and if you do it, you will get woman from the same level as you.

    If you act X+ then you shall get woman even better than your level...

    Do you think janka is alpha when he talks to 22 girls in the middle of the street? No he look like a horny little dog climbing on peoples legs, woman can feel and they know that. And they dont mind, about it.

    Do you think mystery is alpha geting actress and models in hollywood? No hes poor, and way less famous than other artists, that mean hes a beta there, and woman dont care, because hes clever and funny.

    Woman dont need alpha male to have orgasms. They just want a guy who match their needs.

    Dont try to make alpha male sound like a necessary think to get woman, alpha is a very relative word. It changes according to time and space.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    Dont try to make alpha male sound like a necessary think to get woman, alpha is a very relative word. It changes according to time and space.

    I mean, im not saying it direct to you im saying this to the PUA people in general.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    A beta can provide a woman.

    a beta with a gun can kill people.

    Maybe you have another definition about alpha then mine.

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    Most of these guys aren't alpha men but get girls because they make them belive they are. If you talk with a good pua, even though he's broke and unattractive, he will make you feel that he's as succesful as bill Gates, as powerful as Obama, as sexy as Brad Pitt

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    Default Re: Alpha Male And Other Myths In PUA.

    There is no such thing as 'I'm cool because I'm alpha'. There is only 'I'm becoming more attractive to women as I grow more alpha'. Becoming alpha from within yourself is not to impress others or anything, but to attract more and better looking women, and most of all, to make yourself feel happier.

    You're saying women don't want alpha's, but someone that matches their needs. That's exactly why most of us are learning this stuff. BECAUSE we want to learn how to match a woman's needs and thus attract them. The ones among us that study alpha male books are doing so for that very purpose.

    It's not necessary to be alpha to attract women. No one ever said so. But you do need SOME of those features to attract them. If you have no alpha attributes whatsoever, you'll only attract the lowest valued girls or none at all.


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