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    Default RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    I'm 28.
    When I was 15 I had my first crush. It was a girl from my math class who was on the track and field team with me. I wasn't shy. I mentioned that I liked her and she said she had a boyfriend and we'd hang out anyway. One day she didn't want to talk to me anymore. I never asked why.

    The rest of high school I was pretty shy but very nice to everyone. Never even kissed a girl.

    College years. Still wasn't working out and I was contemplating suicide. I wished I could get rid of the desire to be around people at all. I was always nice to people and there were so rude and cruel, guys and girls. If I stood up for myself they made me out to be the bad guy. Life sucked.

    So guys shows me a PUA site. I learned a few things, not much. Ended up getting laid when an opportunity presents itself. Not to be confused with getting girls I actually wanted or even being able to find a decent relationship. This got old, I was just getting lucky once in a while since I couldn't actually create opportunities and these weren't girls I even wanted.

    When I met girls I liked, it always failed and she's run off with some asshole.
    When I sought out advice I'd get something like David Deangelo spewing out bullsh1t and hot air about for 4 paragraphs that simply eludes to what you'll be able to do if you give him your money. This had absolutely no substance and was a waste of my time. I actually bought the Mystery Method book... That was all about being something you're not and was very uncomfortable. I don't want to dress up like a clown and say things I don't mean. My friend Doug doesn't do this and he's always sleeping with a lot of different girls.

    He doesn't know how he sleeps with so many girls [btw, Doug is homeless and has ratty messy clothes and smells funny].

    So, I grew angrier and angrier. Mystery Method didn't actually work btw. It made girls get angry at me for "trying that bullsh1t". Nothing worked really. Girls still lie and wont tell you what they really want, the guys who know how to get girls will feed you endless streams of bs to get your wallet, and the guys who care don't know how they get girls at all.

    Now, I don't really even try as much. I just hate people. I don't fit in anywhere, people don't invite me places, I don't get laid [often], it's difficult to find a job. People for some reason don't farking like me. I used to be genuinely nice to everyone... Now I just hate people.

    Why is this so farking difficult?

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    I'm in your same situation, except I'm almost 19 and done absolutely nothing with a girl, got friend-zoned after I thought I had a date with this girl. Don't get angry at people, it doesn't solve anything. Try not to be the nice guy,don't try to always please everyone.

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    I can feel your pain, bro. Just picture yourself as 20 years older and in your predicament....that' s me...

    ...now not only do I not have any social value...or even perceived value, but I have to deal with the age factor....so my advice to you is simple:

    Don't look at any of these programs as a way to get women...improve yourself and fuck the rest. The good news is you have your whole life ahead of you and you got lots of time to make improvements.

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    The first thing you guys have to do is break free from that Beta attitude. Amarrense los huevos! That's the Mexican version of "Cowboy Up!"

    Change your inner voice and give yourself validation. Don't expect some woman to validate you.

    Happiness is an attitude!

    You guys have to change your attitudes - you are caulk blocking yourselves. Stop it now!
    Last edited by EMSaenz; 03-31-2012 at 04:47 PM.
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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    I agree with EMSaenz. The most successful people are those who review themselves, rather than blaming the world. For example: Didn't have a date yesterday? That's cause you didn't ask a girl out. Not because girls don't like you. Mystery Method didn't work because you feel uncomfortable using it and women know it. So get comfortable or move on to the next guru. You see what I mean?

    You have to take a hard look in the mirror so you'll know exactly what your qualities and bad points are. Improve the bad points and exploit the qualities.

    Hating people is just going to thrive you further away from them.

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    Quote Originally Posted by EMSaenz View Post
    The first thing you guys have to do is break free from that Beta attitude. Amarrense los huevos! That's the Mexican version of "Cowboy Up!"

    Change your inner voice and give yourself validation. Don't expect some woman to validate you.

    Happiness is an attitude!

    You guys have to change your attitudes - you are caulk blocking yourselves. Stop it now!
    I don't give a fuck about validation.
    Phrase like "Cowboy up" "Give 110%" "Go above and beyond!!!" Don't have much substance to them. It gives nothing empirical. No offense, I know you may have well intentions, but this is simply Fluff to me.

    I'm fucking awesome!!! I know I'm awesome. I'm nice to people I don't like, I go out of my way to help those in need and treat people how I want them to treat me. I'm very creative, above average intelligence, physically fit, have nice hair, a cute baby face, a vast variety of skills ranging from, but not excluding playing the piano, tying knots, skateboarding, driving a stick shift, fixing a car, origami, cooking, cleaning, creative problem solving, "Fucking amazing organizational skills, dude" as a friend put it, etc..

    My inner voice isn't telling me that I need someone to validate my value as a person. I already think I'm pretty awesome. However I'm aware that despite how nice, interesting, physically fit, or whatever I am girls still aren't interested in me. People still try to use me for my skill sets and kindness.

    This is why I hate people. All of my best friends in the past have stabbed me in the back someway or another. Whether it's spreading lies to get me fired at work so they can get promoted or stealing from my home when I let them stay over because they had no where else to go. Then people will tell me I'm the bad guy when I stand up for myself and get mad because people are trying to use me.

    Point is, I'm not looking for any fucking validation. I just want to find someone to be in a realtionship with who'll say interesting things, is a nice caring girl, has a great body, isn't needy, isn't superficial, likes sex and is good at it. Someone I would actually care about. NOT SOMEONE TO VALIDATE TO ME THAT I'M AWESOME.

    What made you think I wanted validation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    I agree with EMSaenz. The most successful people are those who review themselves, rather than blaming the world. For example: Didn't have a date yesterday? That's cause you didn't ask a girl out. Not because girls don't like you. Mystery Method didn't work because you feel uncomfortable using it and women know it. So get comfortable or move on to the next guru. You see what I mean?

    You have to take a hard look in the mirror so you'll know exactly what your qualities and bad points are. Improve the bad points and exploit the qualities.

    Hating people is just going to thrive you further away from them.
    yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah .

    Mystery is a creep who has a very low opinion of women and treats them like shit playing horrible mind games. While dressing like a clown. An asshole. Not my fucking thing.

    Did have a date yesterday...hmmm why was that? Was it as simple as I didn't ask someone the fuck out? OH!!! Maybe it had something to do with work? Or my feet being really fucking tired after work? Possibly me not wanting to do anything at all during work? Nah, must've been that I just didn't ask anyone out.

    Who said I wanted one yesterday?
    It's not about getting a date. It's about finding someone special. I don't care about going on a date for the sake of a date. I want to find someone who I like. I've been finding people I don't like. There's a girl I met at the plaza about a week and a half ago. I thought she was cool so I asked for her number. We're supposed to hang out on Sunday [tomorrow] after I get off work. It wasn't as simple as just asking her out, and I'm sure you would know this if you're well informed about women. I talked to her for a bit and got to know her first to see if she's someone I'd actually want to hang out with. Then found something we could do that'd be fun and asked if she'd like to hang out. I'll see how that turns out... I'm not really sure I'm into her at the moment, gotta be around her more first.

    Evaluating myself is how I adapt to life.
    Take soccer for example. I was the worst player on the team the first day. I noted that I was the 2nd fastest running and had the best stamina as my only strengths. My worst skill was shooting the ball, dribbling it, throw-in's, then passing. Every day I practiced shooting it till I had the fastest and 3rd most accurate shot on the team. I then worked on dribbling everyday mostly till I was in the middle [good enough to not lose it every time I touched it], then I worked on passing till I was about 2nd best on the team, then throw-ins till I was the best [How well I was compared to team mates wasn't a specific goal. it's just a reference point that I was the worst on the team at all of these at some point and this is what my work got me].
    I became the best player on the team.
    All I wanted to do was play and not sit on the bench. I didn't care about Varsity letters, being the best, or any of the mental victories. I just wanted to go out on the field and play and have fun.

    Relationships and people I don't get. Everything else I'm pretty good at adapting after evaluating myself throughly.

    People are different. With something like a sport, you can clearly evaluate something like your ability to catch a football. And the tips for doing so are straightforward also {form a triangle with your thumbs and two index fingers, get the tip of the ball to go through the triangle]. With people it's not as straight forward.

    In other words, despite lots and lots of evaluation I haven't the slightest clue what the fuck I'm doing wrong most of the time. Or what is the correct way to do something.

    And with all the Pick-up artist out there like David D who seem to just want my money, I'm not sure where to get this information. I'm not made of money either, so I'm not going to go buying materials from all these con artist/ sales men.

    Reason makes me think that someone who's suposedly good with social skills and reasoning their way into a girls pants would also make a great salesman who'll try to reason his way into other's pockets.

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    Dear Chime,

    Cowboy Up means be a Man. If women aren't taking an interest in you, it's cus they don't see you as viral. They don't see you fulfilling their basic needs that have been ingrained in them from generations of evolution.

    If someone told me that all I needed was "Fluff" to get women to fall in love with me, I wouldn't bother keeping in shape, nor going to college to have a great career. I wouldn't take dance lessons nor brush my teeth - why bother if all I needed was "fluff."

    Women want a healthy provider that can also protect them and be caring and nurturing - someone that will give them good offspring and be able to support them. Yes, sometimes women imagine that they see that in a man, but what they really see is a Player's fluff.

    We're not players, we're PUA with sincere admiration and respect for women. Most of us are looking for that special women of our dreams. It's not just about getting laid, it's about getting laid by your potential soulmate. We know we have a certain power over women, but we are careful not to abuse it.

    You may say you don't need a book, but some books that you can learn from are less expensive than a date.

    It seems to me that people are mistaking your generosity for weakness and taking advantage of you. That's your fault cus you are not only letting them but forgiving them too.

    I'll shoot from the hip and tell it to you straight. It's cus I care and want you to succeed. You can do it!
    Last edited by EMSaenz; 04-01-2012 at 12:42 AM. Reason: typo
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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    Quote Originally Posted by EMSaenz View Post
    Dear Chime,

    Cowboy Up means be a Man. If women aren't taking an interest in you, it's cus they don't see you as viral. They don't see you fulfilling their basic needs that have been ingrained in them from generations of evolution.

    If someone told me that all I needed was "Fluff" to get women to fall in love with me, I wouldn't bother keeping in shape, nor going to college to have a great career. I wouldn't take dance lessons nor brush my teeth - why bother if all I needed was "fluff."

    Women want a healthy provider that can also protect them and be caring and nurturing - someone that will give them good offspring and be able to support them. Yes, sometimes women imagine that they see that in a man, but what they really see is a Player's fluff.

    We're not players, we're PUA with sincere admiration and respect for women. Most of us are looking for that special women of our dreams. It's not just about getting laid, it's about getting laid by your potential soulmate. We know we have a certain power over women, but we are careful not to abuse it.

    You may say you don't need a book, but some books that you can learn from are less expensive than a date.

    It seems to me that people are mistaking your generosity for weakness and taking advantage of you. That's your fault cus you are not only letting them but forgiving them too.

    I'll shoot from the hip and tell it to you straight. It's cus I care and want you to succeed. You can do it!
    Fluff, hot air, bull shit, void, empty, hype, meaningless, lacking substance, etc..
    Not whatever your pua term for fluff is.

    Saying to be a man is hot air a.k.a. fluff.
    To be a man is an abstract idea.
    If you said something like "get a job" or "get in better physical shape." That's a bit more concrete. It's not as abstract of an action to take and is easier to understand.

    I didn't say you said all I needed was fluff. I said what you said was fluff, meaning it's just a bunch of hot air with little meaning because it's too abstract.

    A provider, who cares, can protect, and is healthy. Hmm... Oh yeah, I have a full time job, work out on a very regular basis, have always helped out my friends because I have more than I need, and I take martial arts and don't let anyone walk over me. Mainly because of an extreme distrust for everyone. This apparently ain't workin'.

    Yeah...
    I'm not letting people take advantage of me. And forgiveness isn't my thing. Burning bridges is more of my thing than forgiveness. e.g. in the past someone takes advantage of my kindness, I ignore them, never speak to them again and move on to someone else. Screw me once, you're an asshole, twice and I'm an idiot. In the present, someone tries to get one over on me, I exact the most horrible revenge possible and try to make sure as many people as possible know about it. The more people who know of the horrible retaliation that's coming from me if you try to fuck with me the better, cause it sends a message that says "Don't fucking fuck with me or else bad things will happen."

    Personally, I used to think revenge was silly and meaningless. Why waste the time and energy on some asshole? Just move on and forget about them [not to be confused with forgive them and let them walk on you again.... I've never been that guy]. Then I thought from a strategic point of view, If you go with revenge it's saying "Don't do that, unless you want bad shit to happen to you.". Even better if the whole world knows about it, then people who haven't even tried anything will be thinking "Don't mess with him, bad things will happen."

    You, assume a bit too much.

    More on me not letting people walk over me, but still failing with girls.

    Sophomore year of high school.
    Jeniffer Gonzales was a girl I had a crush on. I was very shy. I asked her out to Homecoming by making a paper airplane with a note in it one day when people in class were just throwing planes around one day in spanish class. I threw that one to her, it had fancy artwork and a nice picture I drew and a message that could be summed up as "Will you go to the dance with me?" [though in more words than that]. She said yes.

    She'd sit next to me in class and we'd joke a lot. I was pretty good with all my classes so it was fun to flirt in spanish here and there. My sister Rented me a tuxedo for the dance. Jen, didn't know this, but a few days before the dance she asked me if I'd buy her a dress.
    (O_0) . o O ( bitch must be crazy!!!)
    "<Why don't you just rent one?>"
    "<You're dad works at the [insert the type of job that earns $100,000.00+ a year], you can afford it.>"
    "DID YOU ONLY SAY YOU'D GO TO THE DANCE IN ORDER TO GET ME TO BUY YOU A DRESS?!?!?!?!" In english, and loud enough for the whole class to hear.
    Embarrassed she said "no..... I liked you... are you going to buy me one...."
    "No I'm not going to buy you a dress. I liked YOU. You seemed like a nice girl and you're fun."

    The next day. She said she couldn't go to the dance cause she had in school restriction and they wont let you go if you have ISR. "You know I show up late almost everyday to school, right?" [kids were sent to ISR on saturday for showing up late as well as other reasons].

    I gave my cousin Liz Jen's ticket to the dance and we drove up there and had fun. Hung out with friends, drank spiked punch, etc.. Jen was there and looked embarrassed again and asked if I'd like to dance "NO I WOULD NOT LIKE TO DANCE WITH YOU AFTER YOU TRIED TO MILK ME FOR MY DAD'S MONEY AND LIED TO ME AFTERWARDS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE DANCE!!!" I said, loud enough for her friends to hear.

    Spanish class ended up being a never ending troll session after that. Some kids actually used cheesy pick up lines in school. "Are you tired, Jeniffer?"
    "Why cause I look like I've been runni..."
    "Cause you look like you just woke up!!!"

    Things like that.
    Sooooooooooooooooo. Did I get walked on and spend money on a greedy gold digging bitch? NO, I didn't. I've never done that shit.
    Did I get laid or get the girl at all? Nah, I lost interest when she started trying to be a greedy gold digging bitch.
    Moral of the story: Bitches ain't nothing but hoes and tricks.

    I've got the not getting stepped on and walked over thing down. I don't fucking trust people and am not tricked that easy. I know when a girl tries to get me to pay for dinner she's being a fucking free loader and she should pay for her own god damn meal. I get that. I mean the topic is me saying I hate people and that they suck, why in the hell would I be giving away hand outs. To assholes and bitches of all people, then getting back up to give them more?

    What I want to know is not how to have a sense of self. I'm fucking awesome. Nor how to not give away all my belongings to a gold digger [seriously when I give people stuff it's shit I don't need, a lot of thought is usually put into it and it's something they'd like. The perfect gift will last for years and all that. But it's not breaking my bank. Only person I'll break my bank for is my younger brother. I'll feed him and give him shelter before I give it to myself, otherwise it's ME first, then everyone else can have a little of the excess].

    I'm looking at how to get a girl I want. How to find them, and how to attract them.

    So, there was Jeniffer in high school. She's a greedy selfish bitch.
    Then there's Jessica, the nicest girl you'll ever meet. I asked her out, her response "I'd love to hang out sometime, you're a great friend. I don't want to hurt your feelings but I have a boyfriend." I met her boyfriend randomly at a skatepark. Cool guy. Very stylish, kinda funny, very friendly, and nice to everyone.

    Me and Jessica hung out a lot of times. We were just friends and stayed just friends. It was still a blast hanging out with her and I wasn't stuck on the idea of just her either. But at that time, my choices were usually, talk to greedy bitches like Jen, or hang out with nice girls who just see me as a friend like Jessica. Who, broke up with her boyfriend after 2 years, then started dating some other guy who she barely knew, not me. Whatever, I wasn't bitter or angry, we still hung out and had fun. She wasn't into me for whatever fucking reason.

    This is what's frustrating. The only girls I get are stupid cunts I don't want. All the nice ones are taken.

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    Speaking of revenge.
    I started dating an acquaintances of mines ex. who he only dated for 2 days.
    He thought we were good friends [I just thought he was some random guy I see here and there]. He got pissed because I took this girls V-card and confronted me in a coffee shop to fight. Knowing he's got issues with depression and has worse girl problems than me, I let him get a free hit. He punched me in the face and left.

    few weeks later I'm relaxing at a bar and he shows up. I ignore him. He's irritated I wasn't paying attention to him and sucker punches me. The bartender kicked us both out. I called the cops and got him with an assault charge.

    When he was done with court he started bragging about how he kicked my ass to some of out mutual friends. I told him to meet me outside and we'll settle this. Can't have me being a push-over running around, then others will think they can walk on me [kinda like how banks don't report robberies sometimes, it gives the idea that they can be robbed]. He pussies out, and says that I'm a caveman and a savage for wanting to resort to violence. He said he's done being a tough guy and has grown up [wow, great development in 2 weeks... fucking 19 year olds].

    fake face book time!!!
    Hot french chick asked him to meet her at a park at 10pm. Said she's have on a blue hoody, black pants, and black shoes. Then said to bring condoms. Him being the guy he is [one who rarely gets laid and very concerned about what others think of him] brags about this to all of his friends. He even sent me a pic of the girl to say that he's about to screw a girl who's hotter than my girlfriend.

    So he shows up at said park, puts the condoms under the slide as she said, then approaches a figure wearing a blue hoody, black pants, and black shoes. The person there had their back turned to him. He gets closer and says "Hey Ciel... um... hi."
    I turn around and in my best impersonation of Sgt. Doakes say "Surprise Mother fucker!!!"
    Surprise Motherfucka! - YouTube

    Then I kick him hard in the ribs with my shin, hit him in the solar plexus, clench him and plant knees in his stomach a few times [really good workout for both people here], then slam him on the ground. I start to walk away and hear him getting off the ground, I don't turn around, I just look back and give an cold glare at him without breaking stride. He stands there. I grab the condoms from under the slide and say "You know what I'm using these for." and then walk off.

    Within that group of people, associated between me and him, none of them have tried to pull anything on me to this day after than. They all got the message: Don't fucking fuck with me.

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    Default Re: RAGE!!!! People make me angry

    You are a walking contradiction. "...all my friends have stabbed me in the back..." And now, "...I take martial arts and don't let anyone walk over me."

    That's your problem.

    You call my stuff BS. Well my BS has given me many wonderful & fulfilling relationships w/women. Even now at almost 60 years old, I am dating women in their early 20s, but my main squeeze is 50 & and looks 30.

    Call it the void if you want, but if you find that the term "being a man" is hot air a.k.a. Fluff and to be a man is an abstract idea. Then you just don't get it.

    If your coming off to women the way you are in here, then I see why you turn them off. They can read you pessimism from a block away.

    I have love handles, drive an old rusted out Blazer, not rich, but I am very optimistic, positive, confident and it shows in my attitude. Don't tell women you do karate,it scares them. Especially, if you act wierd already.
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