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    HB10assassin is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    I am new to the forum. I have been following along for a long time. I am embarking on an experiment. Well it has already started. I think the friendzone has been all in my head. I am working on this HB10(seriously I am new to this forum but I have lived in several countries I know what I am talking about)she is smart(graduate school student), funny, etc. but obviously not perfect. I am still out trying to game other girls but I am not ready to pass on this one. I don't want to hear a bunch of guys saying move on. I am a persistent stubborn asshole and am going to have this girl. I know it is not easy. I have found very few examples of someone pulling it off but I am going to do it.

    So the background. She has been around, she is almost 30 and knows the tricks. We were deep in the friendzone. And I have made every mistake possible. We meet when we were both in a relationship and I was super AFC. We got really close she use to text and call me constantly. I let her cry on my shoulder during some tough times. It was like that for months. I admitted I liked her. I didn't make a physical move on her despite hanging out alone often. Despite all this I will have her. We sort of work together so I will have contact with her for the foreseeable future. She has shown varying levels of interest over the course of months. I am absolutely convinced that I can change this. I am a naturally a dominant aggressive guy. But because of so many factors I was a neutered puppy around her. NO MORE. It is going to be hard because I am fighting against what she is use to but I will not seek her approval. She will need to impress me. From now on she won't walk all over me. She won't set the terms. I will not change my plans just for her. I will physically escalate. Wish me luck!

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    So a few things I have learned on this girl. negs don't work. Even though I am a guy that naturally teases girl, if it is anything like a neg she can sniff it out and knows it is bs. Like I said she is super smart, experienced, and quick on her feet. And it is not just me I have seen her do it with other guys. Push Pull sort of works but the Pull has to be short. I use it as a way to let her know I am a sexual guy that wants her.

    The push has to be a laid back friendly not trying. This seems to work amazing. If I push by being aloof or distant or mean in the slightest she sniffs it out and calls bs. During the laid back friendly I never call her, text her, try to impress her in ANYWAY. But when she contacts I am friendly but not eager.

    I did this once before and it worked great she was asking to see me daily. But then I chickened out didn't escalate and then she got annoyed started pulling away. I decided I was ready to escalate been then started acting desperate for her to come over. She lost interest for a while but after some hard pulls(saying come over now I want you) and hard pushes(disappearing and barely responding) I think I am back to were I can just stick to the laid back friendly.

    Next time when she comes over I am wont let her be at my place for more than 10 minutes before I kiss her. I am going to try to come at her aggressive but then just give a small kiss and then pretend like it is nothing. A mini push pull if you will. After that the next one will be throw her up against the wall want to rip your cloths off kiss Anybody have thoughts?

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    A couple quick things while I am thinking of them. I haven't really kept asking her question to "qualify' her. I have done it before and it seemed to work but it takes some effort in the context of a friendship.

    The other thing she constantly "sh1t tests" guys. And that includes me. And she is the farking best at it. It happens even more when she is attracted to a guy that hasn't slept with her yet. She is very challenging. Over text I have gotten pretty good at either acting like I don't care by changing the subject, giving a "whatever", or ignoring. Or turning it around cocky funny. But every time is different and no one way works every time. It does seem to up her attraction when I handle them smoothly. In person though it is tough. I try and just smile and shrug but it is tough not to react.

    Last thing, when I ask her to do something and she says no I have tried both trying to act like I don't care saying "k" or ignoring and being aggressive and keep persisting. I think the just saying ok comes across as submissive and lowers her interest. Being aggressive never works to get her to come over but does up her attraction as long as it doesn't come across as desperate but more smooth assertive. The best thing has been both acting like I don't care the "ok" but coming back with "I am busy for next week, maybe we can try again after that." Any variation of that where I let her know I am not desperate and got sh1t to do drives her crazy. In a good way. I have just been thinking about it and both times I did this she started asking to do stuff almost every day. Both times I gave in though and let her come over during the window I said I was busy which is stupid.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    So she called me a couple nights ago upset over me sending a mass email to all my friends instead of contacting her separately because this thing was something we had talked about a lot. I could tell she was upset but I was waiting for her to explain. She didn't she got mad and ended the conversation quickly. She then texted me some things I didn't like. I told her that is uncalled for and to call me if she was going to say stuff like that. She didn't like that but after so back and forth she called. I wasn't super AFC but it wasnt a good situation. We both admitted there is things we could do different. By the end of the conversation we were laughing and having a good time. She is not always like this. But there is this crazy Tension with us. I almost feel like she is subconsciously sexually frustrated. No joke, I am sometimes pretty straightforward about what I want to do to her but I have never done it. And she hasn't been laid in a longtime.

    Later that night I tried to get her to come over. Probably stupid because she was still mad and it was really late but I didnt give a fark. Tired of the constant power struggle and ready to make a move. She said not tonight. Not surprised. Right now it has been two days and we haven't texted at all. She is out of town with family but it is still hard not to initiate. This is going to sound crazy but this 2 days is the second longest we have gone without texting. It is hard not to think she has found another guy. I know she has tons of guys chasing her. She sends me excerpts of text different guys send her. Some are actually pretty good but she thinks they are stupid and silly. Like I said the more effort you put in no matter how amazing seems to only turn her off. Which is why I need to stay strong and not initiate texting her righ now! So hard.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    So she finally sent a text. I tried to reward her for breaking the ice. I was warm and she was very warm back. Even shared a few jokes and some stuff only we understand. I told her I want to hangout with her but I am busy this week, which is true. I wanted to show her I am a busy guy and even though lately I have acted like I really wanted her to come over I am not desperate. She asked why. I told her. She replied "ok" then "fine." She may be trying to show she doesn't care or she is pouting. Which to be honest is her MO. She acts like she doesn't care I have stuff going on but then she pouts. Stuff like "you are always busy when I want to hangout." I am betting she starts with the pouting soon.

    As you can see I can even get her to chase me. She wants what she can't have. But it is not just that even when we hangout often she will stay interested. But in the past I start to get to eager. Usually when I finally get feeling bold and ready to make a move. And instead of being patient and letting her come to me I get pushy and eager and she flakes. Although last time she really did get sick but it still seemed to hurt my value and her interest even though she had a real excuse. It seems like the key is really acting friendly(which can be tough when I am frustrated) but also not caring if she likes me. Meaning not doing anything to impress her or acting excited if she does. Just have to keep that Mindset. Next step is making the move. Like I said I think the quick kiss then act like nothing happened is a good way to show confidence but keep her guessing.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    Quick update. She texted asking what I was doing tonight. It is so hard not to think she is asking because she wants to do something. But even if she is, there is no good way to make it happen. It would just come across as too eager. It is better to just be busy and show you are not excited she is asking. I will then pick the time and place we interact. This weekend I will set something up and make my move.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    Nice information.

    How does she break apart and "Sh1t Test" you? Some of these shits tests can make our break you, especially if you 180 back on some line you said and your apologizing, saying OK, or backing off, sort of saying non-verbally "she won that one". I sort of compare it to like hitting a bullseye on a target. You shoot, hit the bullseye, she calls" oh that was lucky do it again"...alright, lay another shot out, dead on bullseye again. You know, you get called out, dont back it down, load up another shot of confidence, but hit the same spot....or keep it within the same group. Some girls actually like to go back and forth in this phase and keep it at a borderline playful argument.

    Even though I can be eager to meet up with some attractive girl, especially when im really attracted to them, ill keep it light and like im not even interested. If you were to read the context from a perspective, or assuming shes smart enough, the idea of wanting to get together is obvious but I make it something casual, like a offer they cant refuse....almost like flying in stealth, but flying in smoothly making it past their initial defenses with ease, making them comfortable enough to meet me 1 on 1.

    Some girls do get hit on alot and they know alot of guys want to get into their pants, so Ill get the idea across im interested but that is at the bottom of my list to get sexual with them(or so it seems). Now the idea is not to be a wimp or friendly here as things could easily go south and put me in the friends zone if im too distant.Usually if played right theyll "flinch" and get aroused or at some point the conversation will become sexual. Almost stimulating them instinct-ually and ill just confirm their actions as suitable, cause some may think they are slutty being too forward and get LMR(Last minute resistance).

    Doesnt sound positive if shes talking about other guys texts, depending how in depth though. Ive seen, heard, and witnessed(1 on 1 on dates) females talking about other wimpy guys or how they hate how some guys are so chumpy. Ranged from complaining about how guys act weak to how they are too indecisive and make "going out" creepy and uneasy. Although if their talking about some guy they already went out with and are just venting to you like your their "best GF" then thats not good. As i mentioned above about the playful arguing, heard some girl who was just having a "mock" argument being challenged, and just her talking about it she seemed aroused. Basically stated she liked how the guy wasnt letting her win easily and was actually being a challenge. Sometime I need to sit down and compile a nice report on the complaints ive heard, really alot of descent answers from women our own age who know what a Man is and that is what they want, not some chumpatized weak guy who cannot make decisions and puts the girl on a pedestal. Really it boils down to what we talk about here and how you should be acting, alpha.

    Its not a secret, Men are attracted to women, Women are attracted to Men. Confuse the facts, confuse yourself.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    Second time in a row she asked me what I was doing tonight. It is a sticky situation because she wants to come over which would give me the chance to make a move but I already told her i am busy for the week so if I give in it is super AFC. I told her what I was doing and I was busy. I asked her a qualifying question but stayed flexible and let the conversation go wherever it would. It ended up being one of the best conversations we have had. Basically we connected over this thing we found out we both really admire. This is where I usually screw up. When things are going really well like this I get worried I am getting too close and that she will lose attraction or I will get deeper in friend-zone. So I start pulling away or I say something kind of mean. Part of me doesn't want her to get too close until we are sleeping together. And since I am not going to see her for a few days I am trying to limit contact until I can make a physical move. IS THIS WEIRD???

    She doesn't send me text from other guys often, it is more like a sh1t-test. When I don't react or even compliment their persistence she goes on to tell me how much she hates these guys and how she doesn't respond to them for weeks and they still text. These guys are chumps buying her expensive gifts and such when she barely acknowledges them.

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    Saw her today at "work" I largely ignored her until she came to me and then I tried to be friendly. It is hard though to transition from uninterested to the right amount of interested. She threw something at me at one point because I wasn't acting interested enough, haha. But then sometimes I get all excited like when she tells me she wanted to call me last night but didn't. I have realized this in person stuff is way harder. If it was another girl I could just be my cool friendly self which she actually seems to really like. But because I am walking the friendzone line it is weird. I don't want to be to friendly and get in deeper. But if I am cold she recognizes it better than other girls and goes into auto-reject and starts pulling away and saying I am acting weird. Fine line. She didn't text tonight she may be a little put off. That is ok, as long as she initiates tomorrow and I will just start being friendly and building rapport.


    Some of you might be sick of me posting every day but oh well. It is my therapy. And it is not going to last long. Tomorrow I am asking her to go out with me Friday. We will go out for a little while and then we will come back to my place and watch something. It shouldn't be hard. She already said she would do this thing with and she has come over and watched stuff before. The only thing is making the move. With her I am just such a mess when it comes to making a move. Other girls I just pull them in and start going. With her I analyze everything. I think I am just going to get a small kiss out of the way at the beginning of the date. Then go crazy throw her up the wall style when we get back to my place. THOUGHTS? ANYONE?

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    Default Re: Friendzone all in your head? We will see.

    So she was going into auto-reject. Starting to be snippy and cold. I was aloof for to long. Especially when she kept asking what I was doing and I kept shutting her down. But I think i salvaged it. Although now I am walking the nice guy line. I asked her to do something and she said she didnt want to do what I offered but she was open to doing something else. HOW DO I RESPOND? I am in a tough spot because I need to make a move soon but I dont want to come off AFC.

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