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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    This thread has some really great ideas, the funny/cool pictures idea particularly sounds like something very easy to do and a great way to dhv if its a picture of you doing something bad as*. I don't have much to add but I have one suggestion with regards to the resturaunt aspect of the thread. I had a bad experience trying to surprise this HB7 I was seeing a while back, before learning about pick up. I had gone on 2 dates prior to bars/resturaunts fairly low key casual places. Both went very well, probably could have f closed, but AFC me didn't see the signs then, or have the balls to make the move. I should also note I did f close her the night I met her a few weeks prior.

    For the third date I told her it was a surprise where we were going. I decided to take her to a slightly fancier more serious place that was really popular in my area that I knew she hasn't been to. BIG mistake on my part on a few levels lol. I didn't tell her where we were going till after picking her up to which she was surprised and in her mind underdressed for so she made me take her home to change. She wasn't under dressed at all but that's just a girl thing I guess. That kind of ruined the night as she seemed kind of mad and we were late and missed my reservation so we had to sit around waiting for a while. The food was not good either, and really over priced.

    Lesson I learned was surprises can be good if performed properly. She was clearly excited the few days leading up to our bad date considering how much she was texting mean trying to figure out where we were going. It adds some mystery and excitement. Where I messed up was going somewhere slightly fancy too soon and not making sure she had some sense of what to expect. Lesson also learned is like lock down mentioned, know some good places to go. I had never been to this place before and didn't know the food would be bad and expensive (100$ for 2 with a bottle of wine). My suggestion is if you are going to surprise her, make sure she has some idea so she can be prepared/know what to wear. Like I said, she wasn't under dressed to me, but women can be sensitive big time when it comes to how they are dressed.

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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by 2champ2 View Post
    This thread has some really great ideas, the funny/cool pictures idea particularly sounds like something very easy to do and a great way to dhv if its a picture of you doing something bad as*. I don't have much to add but I have one suggestion with regards to the resturaunt aspect of the thread. I had a bad experience trying to surprise this HB7 I was seeing a while back, before learning about pick up. I had gone on 2 dates prior to bars/resturaunts fairly low key casual places. Both went very well, probably could have f closed, but AFC me didn't see the signs then, or have the balls to make the move. I should also note I did f close her the night I met her a few weeks prior.

    For the third date I told her it was a surprise where we were going. I decided to take her to a slightly fancier more serious place that was really popular in my area that I knew she hasn't been to. BIG mistake on my part on a few levels lol. I didn't tell her where we were going till after picking her up to which she was surprised and in her mind underdressed for so she made me take her home to change. She wasn't under dressed at all but that's just a girl thing I guess. That kind of ruined the night as she seemed kind of mad and we were late and missed my reservation so we had to sit around waiting for a while. The food was not good either, and really over priced.

    Lesson I learned was surprises can be good if performed properly. She was clearly excited the few days leading up to our bad date considering how much she was texting mean trying to figure out where we were going. It adds some mystery and excitement. Where I messed up was going somewhere slightly fancy too soon and not making sure she had some sense of what to expect. Lesson also learned is like lock down mentioned, know some good places to go. I had never been to this place before and didn't know the food would be bad and expensive (100$ for 2 with a bottle of wine). My suggestion is if you are going to surprise her, make sure she has some idea so she can be prepared/know what to wear. Like I said, she wasn't under dressed to me, but women can be sensitive big time when it comes to how they are dressed.
    I've made a similar mistake as AFC - but to be honest, it's not completely the dating place I could blame for blowing my chance. It was me who sucked.
    There's a beautiful and fancy coffee bar in my city, with paintings on the wall, murals, with a piano, etc. All girl was amazed by the place, but I was never able to make a move there - no kino, no nothing. Partly because there was a big table between me and a girl, and partly because the AFC in me. Since than, I never try to amaze a girl with how fancy the place I take her, and I don't even try to make huge things to get her. Simple ruin pubs or bars, simple things to do like billiard or darts. So there's no tension because of the place or the price, and I can calmly game her.

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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    In general, the AFC thing is to do dinner as a first date. So obviously, don't do that.

    But when you finally do dinner, don't make it a big deal. It has to be some place fun and with good food. That's why shopping around is important. And doing it with friends will let u be clear headed to gauge the place's food atmosphere etc.

    I also have made the mistake of having girls dress up a little when the place was semi formal. They weren't so overdressed but I could tell they were a little uncomfortable at first. But it was late Friday night so people probably assumed that we were headed somewhere else (which I joked about with them lol).
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by 2champ2 View Post
    This thread has some really great ideas, the funny/cool pictures idea particularly sounds like something very easy to do and a great way to dhv if its a picture of you doing something bad as*. I don't have much to add but I have one suggestion with regards to the resturaunt aspect of the thread. I had a bad experience trying to surprise this HB7 I was seeing a while back, before learning about pick up. I had gone on 2 dates prior to bars/resturaunts fairly low key casual places. Both went very well, probably could have f closed, but AFC me didn't see the signs then, or have the balls to make the move. I should also note I did f close her the night I met her a few weeks prior.

    For the third date I told her it was a surprise where we were going. I decided to take her to a slightly fancier more serious place that was really popular in my area that I knew she hasn't been to. BIG mistake on my part on a few levels lol. I didn't tell her where we were going till after picking her up to which she was surprised and in her mind underdressed for so she made me take her home to change. She wasn't under dressed at all but that's just a girl thing I guess. That kind of ruined the night as she seemed kind of mad and we were late and missed my reservation so we had to sit around waiting for a while. The food was not good either, and really over priced.

    Lesson I learned was surprises can be good if performed properly. She was clearly excited the few days leading up to our bad date considering how much she was texting mean trying to figure out where we were going. It adds some mystery and excitement. Where I messed up was going somewhere slightly fancy too soon and not making sure she had some sense of what to expect. Lesson also learned is like lock down mentioned, know some good places to go. I had never been to this place before and didn't know the food would be bad and expensive (100$ for 2 with a bottle of wine). My suggestion is if you are going to surprise her, make sure she has some idea so she can be prepared/know what to wear. Like I said, she wasn't under dressed to me, but women can be sensitive big time when it comes to how they are dressed.
    That's a good point. I have never run into this because the places I bring women are usually low key and inexpensive. If you live in a decent size city there should be lots of places like this. A hole in the wall with great food! I have always been to these places beforehand and knew they were good. With this in mind keeping it a surprise can be a good thing.

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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    It's a blessing and curse living next to a big city. You have a lot of restaurants nearby but there is so much work you have to do to find the great bargains. And all that testing can get expensive.

    That's why it's good to tap your social circle. Listen to recommendations, especially of women you know.

    Women judge restaurants like they judge clothing... They know what occasion an outfit is for. Likewise, they can tell you if an eatery is formal, romantic, fun etc...

    But you always want to know the place ahead of time... As in, you want to know how to get there what the menu looks like etc. Unless you want to try it with her together for the first time. But that could get messy logistically. Always better to be smooth with logistics as much as possible.
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Had an interesting thought in my head today about neediness.

    At work months ago, they hired a bunch of new girls. So me being me, I see them in the building, start teasing them when I see them, build comfort... All was going pretty easy. I knew one already we get along great etc... But over all, just taking it easy not rushing things. So whats the point?

    Well it worked so well with these newer girls that it just reminded me of the need to bail out on other girls.

    See there was this ok looking blonde at the job who I WAS trying some Pu on but it just didn't seem worth it. I tried routines, which she didn't like (she was confused by scenarios like strawberry fields etc). But I just kept sticking to my PU guns thinking that I can get any woman.

    Now I kind of figured she was an airhead. But the challenge was fun. And blonde girls are more rare in my area so it was something different (and I now realize that this is a terrible Mindset but that's another story).

    But here's the problem. The girl became an idea, not a person. I was so into trying to get her that I didn't think that I don't want her. There was a challenge here and that's what attracted me. Forget that she is shallow. Forget that she is loud and attention seeking. Forget thatshe isn't super hot. None of that mattered because of the challenge. So without even realizing it (maybe my PuA inner self did it self consciously) I bailed out. Didn't talk much to her (still friendly of course) and let her be.

    With all the new hires now, it is easier to see the situation for what it was. The blonde's personality was not what I want in a woman. Even if she was an easy lay, there are way more targets that do it for me mentally. This girl just didn't have it.

    Ok so the whole thing wrapped up... It's difficult to know if you are needy or if you should bail out and reengage later on. The trick is to compare. Compare the one you're chasing to the ones who you get along great with. Keep looks out of it. Really judge if the girl you want is as good as the girls you have. Don't give the new girl any credit for being new or special. She has to earn it. Not having gotten laid in awhile or having new opportunities to sarge can impair your judgement. So judge targets carefully with an open mind!
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Quick hit... Did anybody see Captain America 2? A few girls I know liked the Winter Soldier character. When I asked why, they all mentioned his body language first. They said the way he moved and walked... He was bad ass.

    If anyone wants tips on body language, that's a good first step. Sometimes we can get lazy in our posture and alibi that we are being laid back. But notice how if you tweak your stance into a more aggressive one, you feel better.you carry yourself more seriously.

    When you walk around, pretend that there is your fave song playing or a song you can walk hard to. Walk to.the music. You will give off better body language. Eventually, you won't have to pretend to hear music any more. The body language becomes a part of you.

    Or you can pretend that wherever you go, there will be a beautiful woman there who wants you based on body language alone. How would you walk if this were true? You would make sure you walked with confidence and stature. You'd make sure she would notice you.

    Note that I am not saying walk around like a serial killer all stiff and defensive in your posture. I'm talking aggression more in the sense that you can conquer any obstacle anywhere you go. No one will push you around. Everyone will respect you. Evey girl will want to meet you. You make things happen. ALL OF THIS IS TRUE ONLY IF YOU SEND OUT THESE SIGNALS WITH YOUR BODY LANGUAGE.

    Edit: Forgot to mention that the song you want to use should be midtempo and groovy. Something simple so you can hear the beat. Walk by Pantera, 99 problems by Jay Z (for the record though, I HATE Jay Z), Written in the Stars by Tinie Tempah. Don't pick a song that's too fast because fast walking is a sign of anxiety or being in a rush. Beautiful People by Marilyn Manson. Foxy foxy by Rob Zombie. Something with attitude, not a sexy slow jam. Upbeat and empowering. Release yo self by method man. The rocky theme lol! Eye of the tiger by survivor. Chase is better than the catch by motorhead. War machine by KISS.
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Another quick experience...

    Ya know, sometimes things happen to me that illustrate how on the money PU is even though it doesn't develop into much. It's almost like being able to predict actions before they happen lol.

    So HB8 I know. She is literally bipolar, 22, dark hair Puerto Rican, light skinned, wild. Oh and Fake double DD Boobs she's mighty proud of lol. So I meet her as a customer at work. She had to come back many times over the year so long story short... AFC me at the time gets her number. She's has a kid who's like 4. But AFC me says she's hot so just take the number.

    Nothing ever came of it because she never responded to texts and AFC me was mad and dropped her.

    So fast forward two years... Shes starts working at my job, remembers me. Gives me her number again. I meet up with her for lunch, she introduces me to her work buddies who are really cool HB7.

    HB8 pulls same crap with not meeting up, not returning calls etc... I neg her and she responds but come to find out 6 months later I see that girls all messed up. State took the kid, she is practically being fired, they're asking for a hair to do a drug test, she hangs in the worst drug ghetto clubs. Safe to say I am no longer attracted.

    Ok so here's the point. I'm on break at work, texting in the hallway when a girl walking down the hallway starts calling me Mr.Sexy lol. It was one of the HB8's work friends I had mentioned and hadn't seen in 6 months. She was very happy to see me and flirty etc. She is also very cool and even lost a good bit of weight since I saw her last. Way more down to earth than 8.

    So basically, because I am just awesome to all women and try to make them feel good, they remember me. Even though I had no intention to pursue 7, because we both knew 8 it turned into a pivot thing totally unintentionally.

    Always be awesome to women around you. You never know what will happen down the road or who is paying attention.
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Read a funny meme the other day... It said,"If you want to know what it's like to think like a woman, imagine a browser with 2542 tabs open... ALL.THE.TIME."

    It was pretty funny to me but after thinking about it awhile, it really made think about PU.

    It's a good way to look at a woman's Mindset. A woman has a wonderful ability to think of many, many outcomes of a given situation. And this can be very distracting to them. But along with this, they can ride off their emotions to totally block out the "tabs"and go with the flow. Confused lol? You're a guy so it won't make sense to you. I'm not even sure I get it fully lol.

    But anyway, this whole concept of tabs gives a good illustration of what the game teaches.

    Ex... The most direct PUA will never buy a girl he's meeting for the first time a bouquet of flowers and tell her he thinks shes awesome. But if you were to do that, what happens in the girls mind? She opens her tabs up and checks you against them. She could have a tab for "ideal lover" and "weird situations" "awkward guy hitting on me" "neediness in men" etc... She will examine all these tabs in a split second (or she may get hit on alot so she has them memorized lol) and since you haven't established anything in her mind to make you awesome, she rejects you.

    So PU is a way to get into her mind without her even k knowing it. Instead of giving direct ioi's, PU establishes a system to get into her tabs discreetly so that she thinks she is following her emotions but in reality, you've set yourself apart so well that she keeps u in mind... Whether she at first likes you or hates you.

    It's similar to anchors (the PU term)... You seed things in her mind and watch them pay off later.

    Thats why initial attraction is so important. If you can make her at least remember you... Open a tab about you... You always have a chance. And again, if you live your life, don't get needy or clingy, and follow up in the time honored PU style, you will make inroads into her mind so easily, so subtly, that she will feel like her emotions are taking over and she will block out any disqualifiers about you.
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    Default Re: LockDown's Personal Newbie Guide - ongoing

    Ok so a little physical flirtation device I use to be cute. Basically role reversal.

    Classic stance of two people in love is guy holding girls hips and she has her arms around his neck. Perfect stance for a kiss. Now what if you've got a good thing going with a girl but not sure if you can get a kiss? Change up the roles.

    Joke about things couples do. Mention the classic stance in a way that's vague. She will ask you what that stance is. Then, without saying, assume the girls role by putting your arms around her kneck and shoulders and look in her eyes. Then mention how it's a pretty comfortable position. Then tell her that to complete the stance, she has to put her hands on your waist or love handles. But the key is to guide her hands there. Women love when guys do this. If she is comfortable with that, then try to move her hands down to your ass, saying it's a variation of the classic stance. If she squeezes your butt, big ioi but keep your IOI under control.

    Now you've gotten her to embrace you like you're her boyfriend but it doesn't carry the same weight in her mind because you are nowhere near her hips, you are not making any advances. Now later, you can hug up on her hips and butt and it will seem way more natural to her subconsciously because you set up the reversed version.

    Another one I like is sitting on their laps for fun. Typically, girls sit on guys laps. But you can reverse it and sit on a girls lap for fun (but in reality you are doing Kino). If you sit on her and she doenst mind, you know she is comfortable with you. If she pushes you off, tell her that's no way to get in your pants. If she is comfortable or going along with it, try humping up and down on her lap as a joke, as if she is a guy and you are giving a lap dance. Trust me, she can still feel something from it. Doesn't need to be elaborate, just a quick pump or two, just to implant the thought in her mind.

    Then you can half turn to face her and tell her she was good or put your arms around her neck or your head on her shoulder.

    This easy role reversal flips her script which will confuse her a bit. This is good to get in a girls brain. And it also shows you are playful as well as comfortable with gender role reversals. I think it works well because women sometimes don't realize how much they like dominance in a physical relationship. Reversing the roles could very well give her license to be more dominant or aggressive
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