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    Hi,

    Im brand new to this site.

    I just turned 40, which possibly puts me in a different demographic from many of you. I dont see much on here that relates to the struggles us older dudes go through when trying to pick up (please direct me to the threads on mid life pickup, if im off base here). Hopefully over the next few weeks I can help change this and provide my own insights into the 36+ game.

    While I am 40, I am new at this, but surprisingly good. I was in a relationship that began in my teens and ended when I turned 39. My ex is a very beautiful woman. She was a 10 when I met her and for a woman of 40 she is still extremely desirable. This has helped my validation, as I live in a small city and many people know me simply because I was the long term husband of the town hottie.

    I still use my ex for validation. We have two kids, so whenever I can I arrange to have coffee with her to 'discuss sh1t.' I choose coffee shops where I know I will be seen by several of the gossip girls in the town.

    My ex mentally abused me for much of the relationship, and left me completely lacking in self confidence and depressed. I have to say, I was more than an AFC at first, I was THE AFC. I would sit in bars and watch the sports, ignoring the girls so I wouldnt appear creepy and hoping and praying that a girl would talk to me.

    The Stealth Attraction system is what got me started. I was amazed by how simple and true this system was and it gained me immediate results, which I may post later. I promise I am not plugging the system for Richard, although I think he deserves it.

    After my initial success I was literally gobsmacked by how many IOIs I was generating, just walking through town or grabbing a drink at the bar. Id been blind to these signals for years, but now it was if I was a different person in a different body. I have discovered an aura of awesome that is influencing not just girls but everybody into treating me positively.

    It actually makes me angry sometimes (although I have discovered that showing anger is dlv at the max) because many of these techniques and skills I have known instinctively for many years, but have suppressed them or misinterpreted them because my conniving ex would actually point out the people she found attractive or smooth and tell me how unconvincing and genuinely slimy they were. She would also tell me she hated the clothes I actually look good in and stuff like that. My ex by the way, also uses manipulation techniques. They are known scientifically as 'controlling behaviour techniques' and are a thousand times more sinister than anything that pua do because the objective is not to 'use' or 'conquer' but to destroy and dominate.

    Ive joined this forum because I intend to share my experiences and insights as a 40 year old pua (although i do dislike the term, these awesome powers I have discovered are much further reaching than pickup, they work in business and general society like a charm.) I will do this once I have established myself a little more on these forums.

    thanks to Bill and co for this forum and all the insights that come with it, see you all soon.

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    Default Re: time of the pagan

    Welcome to the forum. Your insight and willingness to study is greatly appreciated. I can tell by your approach on these matters that we can learn a thing or two from your experiences. I'm glad you're picking yourself up from such a destructive relationship. It's a tough thing to go through and is a process. Also I wouldn't worry about your age too much. Men age better than women after all
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: time of the pagan

    Thanks Batman.

    Im not too worried about my age, but I do believe it changes the game somewhat. Richard La Ruina is much younger than me and there are things he talks about which just do not work when you're getting on a bit. There are also differences in the targets, they are older and smarter than most of the 9's and 10's that the younger pua are going to be after. What is a '10' to a 21 year old will quite likely be unavailable to a 40 year old and what is hv to a 40 year old is often different to what is hv to a 20 year old. Im sure anyone over 35 will know exactly what I mean here.

    If you are the oldest dude on the dancefloor and you are dancing by yourself, not checking out the chicks and looking over at the dj as RLR suggests, you risk appearing drunk instead of raising your value.

    You have to be sensitive to the age gap is what I am saying, you cannot ignore it because older dudes can be much more easily categorized as creepy than younger guys, and if the wrong girl things you're a creepy old dude, its over.

    Girls (ladies) in my age group are 'generally' not going to be considered 10's by the pua on here, and I promise they are not going to respond to openers and negs in exactly the same way. The approaches need to be more sophisticated and it is much harder to recover if you dlv.

    Yes there are plenty of younger girls out there that like older dudes, but it has to be remembered, they like a certain type of older dude, and the money,looks,job considerations cannot be swept aside so easily at this age when targeting young girls.

    There is also the issue of the AMOG . Interacting with a younger AMOG takes smarts. You do not want to alienate the young dudes in the bar, especially if you are the oldest there. It is easy for a 40 year old to cut down a 20 year old AMOG. The consequences however can be dire.

    There are dozens of things I dont see discussed that relate to us 36+ guys and their targets. Kids, professional outlook, fashion, ex-wives etc... all come into play

    Our biggest weapon is life experience. We can talk about a lot more, but its esay to remind targets just how old you are if you do this too much.

    What would be great is if there was a 36+ area on this site where the changed game can be discussed. Remember, none of you guys are getting younger

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    Default Re: time of the pagan

    I'm gonna be 43 in August, so I can totally empathize with you.
    However; I can say that age is not an issue at all.

    I got started learning this stuff just over a year ago & was amazed at how quickly & easily it can be applied... As well as how effective it really is.

    The only limitations you're gonna have, are all in your mind.
    That's probably the biggest obstacle to overcome, but once you do, you'll see a great deal of success.



    Anyway, welcome to the forums!

    There's sooooooooo much great info & insight here, so just dig around my friend.


    Need one on one private coaching? PM me for details.

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    Default Re: time of the pagan

    Thanks T-mal, I'm going to agree to disagree that age is not an issue at all.

    I am not saying that age is adverse to pua, in fact I am working my maturity to my advantage in ways that younger puas cannot. I am just saying that its a slightly different game, with a few different rules that need to be understood.

    You probably know them instinctively. You must be aware of the age gap when approaching girls 20 years your junior (if you do this) and you must know that the target is aware of the age gap too. The question is how you work it to your advantage and eliminate any disadvantages that may come of it.

    Also the younger targets are rather inexperienced, they enjoy being with an experienced older dude and the bonus is that they have less interest in a long term relationship, unless you're loaded.

    Saying that, the older women, who I find beautiful and exciting often wont rank a 5 or 6 on the young puas scale but are easily an 8, 9 or even 10 on mine. This became apparent to me when I took a young padewan wingman out sarging and left the bar with a beautiful mature woman. The kid was like 'I thought you were after the hv girls'


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