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    Default Doorman in Liverpool, UK

    Hi Guys,

    So technically I'm not a new member to the forums but it's been quite a while since I've posted as dating etc has really been on the back burner for me with a lot of stresses that had pretty much taken over my life.

    Well things are looking up and although I had some success at the start of the year with a few girls and getting a couple of F-closes with a HB7, 8 and 9 and even having short flings but these weren't girls I wanted anything more with after a while. I want to find a girlfriend, but I can't seem to repeat my earlier success and I'm not sure why, I'm actually in a better place now.

    I've lost 11lbs so far though I still have a long way to go until I'm happy, I'm working again and generally things are on the up compared to six months ago. I mainly use PoF but again that seems to have dried up for me and although I don't think I'm doing anything different my success rate although not great has plummeted to where I'm hardly getting messages back, women just view my profile and that's it not a peep out of them.

    I'm pretty lucky that I'm the head doorman of a very busy bar absolutely crammed full of HB's but the problem is I'm usually pretty much stuck on the front door all night only getting to talk to girls if they pop out for a smoke and then I'm competing with younger better looking colleagues where my only advantage is my height at 6ft8.

    I'm genuinely at a loss and a complete AFC.... Guys I need help!

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    Default Re: Doorman in Liverpool, UK

    This might not pertain to your specific situation, but perhaps it might be interesting to try this trick!

    Specially since you are the doorman, I assume this means you will be checking ID's for date of birth, at least this is how it is in the states. A bar needs to ensure everyone is of legal drinking age, or they can be fined, or closed down.

    You have a unique opportunity to engage every single female as they walk into the door. Not only is your value automatically more for being the person charged with protecting women, which affects their genetic programing to look for someone who can protect them, and thus give their offspring a better chance at survival (which is one of the main reasons HBs are attracted to nightclub security) but you can do all kinds of other things as well.

    One of which is touching them, I am not encouraging any grouping, but only to use a reason, this being security reasons, to touch them or enter their personal space in a way that normally they will not allow you. For example, you could say something like "I noticed your sleeve is bulging just a little" (and here is the key operative phrase so you remind her of your position, and value as security/safety). Then state something like "You do know already (assumptive reasoning) that I am charged with your safety, and everyone else, right?" when you get the nod, or the "yes" answer, continue with this. "Then you don't mind (and while saying this exact phrase, reach for her elbow with one hand and lightly hold onto it, firmly, but not too firm) if I check the bulge in your sleeve, right. While doing this nod your head.

    At this point you expressed value, you have touched her physically, and done so in a way that is called a "patter interrupt" which is also used in another profession which I am not encouraging you to use because it would take too long, and is a little underhanded. In any case, you now have permission to touch her arm, her entire arm, because she has no idea where you see this bulge. Take your other hand, and this is establishing dominance and control, and lightly grasp her arm, starting from the end of the sleeve, and move up only to the elbow. If she tries to pull away, this is a good indicator you probably need to use other tactics prior and I will give you another trick as a doorman to do this. If she doesn't, only move to right above the elbow. If she does not pull away, you are golden. You can even very slightly so she does not notice, if things are going very well, pull her slightly to you as if you were going to pull her closer, and then not. This is a type of physical, push/pull method that causes her mind to think of you pulling her closer, for a hug, a kiss, a more intimate gesture whatever it is her mind jumps to according to the pattern she is most used to when pulled closer by a man.

    Then say, I guess you are not attempting to bring a gun or knife into the building, thank you for cooperating with me. You have now aligned her with you, and set her mind in a state she now will cooperate with you, without too much trouble so long as your tactics are not obviously intrusive or outlandish. You are using suggestions, assumptive reasoning, appealing to her need for you to have value, being funny and opening the door for the other little trick I mentioned I will fill you in on.

    You can even tease her a bit by saying that you didn't really see anything, you just wanted to touch her arm, and if you do not get a positive laugh or response, you can then say that you really did see a bulge, but if you get a positive response you can then compliment her on looking different, not beautiful or stunning but different and that you like the blouse she was wearing, and wondering what the material felt like. This will cause he to actually think about you, undressing her. These are all triggers that allow you to become more intimate, right off the bat than you otherwise would be able to if you were just a patron at the bar. But here is the cool kick to all this that will really cause her to think sexually about you.

    Ask for her ID, look like you are scrutinizing the picture, and comparing it to her face. This allows you to make lengthy eye contact and having a very good excuse for doing so. If she holds eye contact, or looks at you intently that means she is attempting to figure out what exactly it is you are thinking or looking for. If she jokes around by saying something like "what, doesn't it look like me?" you can always say something like "no, actually I was just now noticing the color of your eyes, but also that you have very unique shaped eyes" We all have unique shaped eyes compared to any other person, so this is not a lie. And if she is a HB, she has been complimented on them before and will not think this too invasive at all. Then look at the ID again, back and forth to her face. Ask her to tell you her weight if it's on the ID, this causes her to give you personal information she usually does not impart to make her feel closer to you. Ask her a few more questions or notice some minor difference in her ID and her. This will cause her to want to prove herself to you. Even leave an uncomfortable silence where you look directly at her for a few seconds until she says something, and then ignore it and ask the final question.

    If all this has gone well, just simply say the word "sex?" as a question. This is not something she is asked, not just as a single word. If she is quick and witty she might say "yes all the time" if not she will ask you "what?". In either case you have an answer. If she says yes all the time, then you move in to stand right beside her, because you do not want to enter her space head on, this will cause her to feel that her space has been invaded and ruin everything. Move to the side while holding up the ID so both of you can seemingly look at her ID at the same time. And then say, so that only she can hear as if a secret between the two of you, which allows you to intimately whisper in her ear "then why did you get an F for sex if you have so much experience" OR if she says "WHAT?" to your one word question "sex?" do the same, move in and as if it is intimate information you are passing on to her say and say "did you realize you got an F for sex?"

    If you notice on almost any ID anywhere in the world, there is a space for the sex of the license or ID holder where it can be stated their sex. And because there is very little room it is almost always, in English speaking countries, an F for female or an M for male.

    From this point you can either say "That's why you are here tonight?" which will either cause her to say yes, or no or something witty besides. You can either suggest yourself as a teacher, or say that someone in the bar might be able to help her out but that you are busy at the door so it will have to be someone else, etc. This might cause her to actually come outside and seek you out to talk with, she remembers laughing with you, being put at ease, your value, feeling secure within your space, etc. By suggesting someone else you are also pushing her and giving her a chance to pull herself back in.

    There are so many different variations on this them, and I might perhaps post more on this. But I can tell you this, I have used this technique or variations many, many times while working the door of nightclubs from San Francisco to Hollywood, and it works, it works amazingly well.

    At the very least it will illicit pre-selection in the women that see you talking with this female at the front door, and could cause other women to seek you out. By expressing these things that other women in line might hear, you are effectively expressing these things to the entire crowd. I have even had women ask me what I said, because they also want to know what the flirty joke is, which of course gives you the opportunity to show them as well, and keeps the pre-selection theme going the entire time you are working the door.

    So many bouncers or security staff do not want to work the door because they are not where the action is. Contrary to their desire to be around the women inside, you have a unique opportunity to make a personal connection with every HB that walks into the door, and do so without being concerned about interruptions or competition being a distraction. There is also not as much noise, and is the most intimate setting besides the bathroom or a dark corner that exists in the entire nightclub.

    You might want to try this just simply to amuse yourself. I used this, and many other techniques that I discovered playing my social mindfuck games while being a doorman at nightclubs. You can also influence men and women by suggesting specific things when each person walks in the door. And if really good, you can even change the entire atmosphere by doing so with specific people as they walk in the door. For example, just stating that they are going to have an amazing night, just making that suggestion right before they walk in the door makes them feel good, and you will be the one they connected that feeling with.

    Anyway, enjoy and good luck to you...

    C....

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    Default Re: Doorman in Liverpool, UK

    Thank you so much for taking the time to respond in such detail, I really appreciate it.

    Some of what you've said though I can't see myself doing which is probably why I'm AFC I dunno it just sounds so alien to me. That said I am going to try and put it into practice, I worked today (Sunday) which is a totally different atmosphere with very few people in and hardly any HB's let alone single ones. I did try the "You'll have an amazing time tonight" stuff and got quite a few smiles.

    Will have to wait until Friday now to try and put the rest into place but it gives me a few days to try and process things...

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    Default Re: Doorman in Liverpool, UK

    Just start small and use things you are comfortable with. Confidence will rise, and you will feel more sure of yourself and naturally want to use techniques that otherwise might make you feel awkward.

    I know what you mean, after you get smiles, chop it up a bit, use a little assumptive reasoning or suggestion in a positive way like "you are going to have an amazing time tonight" you will see the smiles and feel more confident.

    It will work, being a doorman is the absolute best place for you at this time, I mean it.

    C....

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    Default Re: Doorman in Liverpool, UK

    Just wanted to let you know that back in work last night I'd really tried to put the things you said in to practice and noticed a massive difference in the female attention I was getting...

    I was beaming smiles as I said hello to people walking in, laughing and joking with the girls I had to I.D saying things like I only stopped you so I could get your name and add you on Facebook all while being very light hearted and even got talking to a stunning Polish HB9 who was out with her boyfriend and although she was saying she was very happy with him she was clearly giving me ioi's and was very quick witted, even gamed me into giving her an age compliment and knew exactly what she was doing... I felt a little stupid but found it such an intellectual turn on, I just really didn't know how to capitalise on it. But then that's why I'm here... to learn!


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