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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcomea2 View Post
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    Oh and far as you not likeing me, dude I don’t give a crap if you like me or not. Know why? Casue I am the way I am. I am unappoligetic about who I am. The key thing is that I know who I am and I don’t need your or anyone elsses verification of who I am. So if you don’t like me, who cares.
    solid farking alpha response. haha

    ok chime lets start with some things. Dont ignore this post. im not going to bust on you or anything but im going to tell you what i think and what could help you.

    ok well so far you seemed to be concentrating on this qualfication on normalcy and being average. If not ur average, thats all good. it actually is better. i know i am very random, funny, and like to do some crazy stuff. i am as well far from average. But you seem to have the type of reaction that guys have when dealing with aa. you are trying to analyze/deny/make excuses for ignoring our advice while trying to ask for more. Kino does work. But also there is a reason this is called game. we all play it different and use different things. if u dont need kino then damn ur good and u have to show me how to do that. if not well there is lots of techniques to be learned. So the first thing i would like you to accept is advice. not thru the wording but thru the concept. being an intelligent individual as you said, its not how something is worded or theory. but rather how it is applied. much like physics. So take there post, sum it in ur own words as u read it and apply the info. so rather than fixating yourself on qualifying being average or not, just be receptive to learning things from guys like tcomea and raven who truly want to help you. we give our numbers, emails, and facebook out to guys on here so we can give them not only pick up advice but general advice about relationships and whats going on. but if you refuse our opinion, well frankly we dont care.

    also i would ask you not to try and use profanity aimed towards someone. yes we use profanity on here but general as a form of speech. so this is an official warning as the moderator to just chill a little bit.

    ok the next thing you asked if about the type of guys girls are attracted to. well i cant just give you a description say like brad pitt or anything. rather it is how you hold yourself, your attitude, your outlook on life, and basically overall demeanor that is presented. this is where my old post u said was crappy comes into play. If you seem like a fun, approachable, confident, uneedy, alpha male type of guy you will increase ur success with women. but you obviously knew that a shy unconfident not funny guy with no style and a beta male personality definitely isnt good with women. so i would try finding some posts on here about nonverbals (aka body language) and alpha males. you need to have strong nonverbals and the stature of an alpha male to have a majority of women find you attractive.

    oh ok next thing. i forgot u asked what type of qualities to guys like that have. well its actually just the qualities guys try to display over dhv'ing. girls like guys who like to travel, open to new ideas, give priority to friends and family not just good looking girls. i mean im sure u could think of things girls like its basically an over all individual who gives lots of value and people like to be around. so when i posted those three things. those were three things that brought lots of attributes together in one and helped improve ur chances with women. confidence is a virtue of knowing yourself, being unapologetic of your personality and the things you say. u dont qualify yourself to other people cause there is no need. that is precisely why girls shit test us. they wont the alpha male individuals who are confident. so far ur inner game is one of a beta male. when u were fixated on that average thing i couldnt help but think of the show house with a episode of midgets. this girl was sick and to get better was going to become normal height and no longer be a dwarf. she first would have rathered died than not be a dwarf cause she thought she lost what made her, her. same thing here, you got upset when we said average and u qualified yourself to us and got mad frankly. u are a complete man and it doesnt matter if i think ur average. its ur frame. control it.

    so overall this will be my last post trying to convince you to keep an open mind and be receptive to the advice the experienced PUA's on here are giving. if you still dont want to well then your always more than welcome to drop a post. im not sure how many people will try to help, but i will always give u a reply. if u dont like it, well frankly i dont care. its my opinion from my experiences as a PUA. if you dont want my experience. well go out and get some of ur own then u will find out what works and what doesnt. but the thing about advice is you dont have to go thru it. thats precisely what guy on here do. they dont know what to do and rather than experimenting, they just ask for help and learn from it. i know i have done plenty of experimenting with techniques. some work some dont. but if you would like do the same. but i guarantee you will be taking a lot longer to be better with women than other guys accepting our advice.

    thanks for reading, if you even did. and well frankly i hope this helped u just to accept some words of wisdom.
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Simple answer: Women want the Alpha Male.


    Oh and thanks Crob. Took a long time to get to the point where i could say that and truely mean it.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    well shit he seems like he needs a lot of stuff so it seems like reasonable advice he wouldnt make up on his own. just like when people tell you not to drink and drive. you know that and wont usually listen to someone who says it to you. u need a more descriptive thing for it to connect.

    but yes to the point, girls want an alpha male. sometimes border line bad boy. or at least precieved as a bad boy :P thats how i do it
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Bingo. But as a general point the bad boy is not an ass. He is just very alpha. its a fine line between being a jerk and being a bad boy.

    Thank you Carlos Xuma for teaching me this lol

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    well thanks for teaching me. i assumed jerk/asshole who is really alpha.

    oh and if there is no pool near by, how do i get a girl wet? hahaha
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    you use Kino

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    hahahahahahaha
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcomea2 View Post
    Congrats Raven you have now arrived and can get you special decoder ring for the secret club.

    Chime- When I call you average im not referring to the rest of your life. I donít know what you do and I donít know who you are. But obviously you are average with women. You have already admitted you are not that good with them so on that point yes you are average.
    Secondly I understand you are trying to reason you way through this. But you need to stop. I am not a stupid person, and am very well educated so I know that it can be hard to not try to tear everything apart with reason, but the reality is that you need help. Otherwise you wouldnít be here. If you want our help we will give it, But you have to be open and receptive to it. Understand it will be different then what you have done in the past. Accept that and try to learn.

    Oh and far as you not likeing me, dude I donít give a crap if you like me or not. Know why? Casue I am the way I am. I am unappoligetic about who I am. The key thing is that I know who I am and I donít need your or anyone elsses verification of who I am. So if you donít like me, who cares.
    You sound like a robot without a personality of it's own.
    A lot of people who're really into pick up sound like this.
    My friend Erick, who actually is pretty average, reads them and spits out lines like a bad actor in a b movie. It's obviously insincere and not a part of what he actually feels. Thus he get's laid significantly less than me. So I really don't listen to him when he says "Women want a leader of man." When someone like my friend John who has women hunting him down tells me something like "Women like guys who answer to no one and have control over the world, a leader usually fits this bill." It comes off making more sense and as if it's not just him quoting lines from a book he read as much as speaking from experience.

    You don't follow what I say well enough to make the points you say about me valid. Earlier you said that I was trying to qualify myself [could be completely wrong and look like a dick right now, but I'm just too tired to double check]. Not you're trying to qualify yourself. Interesting.

    I'm generally offended to be called average for a very specific reason that I already pointed out. However you're not getting that I never said I was good with girls, nor did I say your advice wasn't going to help, nor did I say I knew better. I didn't even call anyone stupid, suggested it, but never directly stated it.

    Get it in your head that I hate the term AVERAGE, but I am NOT saying that I'm good with women. Go reread my post even. I have being called AVERAGE. For a third time: I hate being called AVERAGE. You understand it now? I never said I think I'm great with chicks, hell go reread the title of the message while you're at it.


    Quote Originally Posted by crobinson1 View Post
    solid farking alpha response. haha

    ok chime lets start with some things. Dont ignore this post. im not going to bust on you or anything but im going to tell you what i think and what could help you.

    ok well so far you seemed to be concentrating on this qualfication on normalcy and being average. If not ur average, thats all good. it actually is better. i know i am very random, funny, and like to do some crazy stuff. i am as well far from average. But you seem to have the type of reaction that guys have when dealing with aa. you are trying to analyze/deny/make excuses for ignoring our advice while trying to ask for more. Kino does work. But also there is a reason this is called game. we all play it different and use different things. if u dont need kino then damn ur good and u have to show me how to do that. if not well there is lots of techniques to be learned. So the first thing i would like you to accept is advice. not thru the wording but thru the concept. being an intelligent individual as you said, its not how something is worded or theory. but rather how it is applied. much like physics. So take there post, sum it in ur own words as u read it and apply the info. so rather than fixating yourself on qualifying being average or not, just be receptive to learning things from guys like tcomea and raven who truly want to help you. we give our numbers, emails, and facebook out to guys on here so we can give them not only pick up advice but general advice about relationships and whats going on. but if you refuse our opinion, well frankly we dont care.

    also i would ask you not to try and use profanity aimed towards someone. yes we use profanity on here but general as a form of speech. so this is an official warning as the moderator to just chill a little bit.

    ok the next thing you asked if about the type of guys girls are attracted to. well i cant just give you a description say like brad pitt or anything. rather it is how you hold yourself, your attitude, your outlook on life, and basically overall demeanor that is presented. this is where my old post u said was crappy comes into play. If you seem like a fun, approachable, confident, uneedy, alpha male type of guy you will increase ur success with women. but you obviously knew that a shy unconfident not funny guy with no style and a beta male personality definitely isnt good with women. so i would try finding some posts on here about nonverbals (aka body language) and alpha males. you need to have strong nonverbals and the stature of an alpha male to have a majority of women find you attractive.

    oh ok next thing. i forgot u asked what type of qualities to guys like that have. well its actually just the qualities guys try to display over dhv'ing. girls like guys who like to travel, open to new ideas, give priority to friends and family not just good looking girls. i mean im sure u could think of things girls like its basically an over all individual who gives lots of value and people like to be around. so when i posted those three things. those were three things that brought lots of attributes together in one and helped improve ur chances with women. confidence is a virtue of knowing yourself, being unapologetic of your personality and the things you say. u dont qualify yourself to other people cause there is no need. that is precisely why girls sh1t test us. they wont the alpha male individuals who are confident. so far ur inner game is one of a beta male. when u were fixated on that average thing i couldnt help but think of the show house with a episode of midgets. this girl was sick and to get better was going to become normal height and no longer be a dwarf. she first would have rathered died than not be a dwarf cause she thought she lost what made her, her. same thing here, you got upset when we said average and u qualified yourself to us and got mad frankly. u are a complete man and it doesnt matter if i think ur average. its ur frame. control it.

    so overall this will be my last post trying to convince you to keep an open mind and be receptive to the advice the experienced PUA's on here are giving. if you still dont want to well then your always more than welcome to drop a post. im not sure how many people will try to help, but i will always give u a reply. if u dont like it, well frankly i dont care. its my opinion from my experiences as a PUA. if you dont want my experience. well go out and get some of ur own then u will find out what works and what doesnt. but the thing about advice is you dont have to go thru it. thats precisely what guy on here do. they dont know what to do and rather than experimenting, they just ask for help and learn from it. i know i have done plenty of experimenting with techniques. some work some dont. but if you would like do the same. but i guarantee you will be taking a lot longer to be better with women than other guys accepting our advice.

    thanks for reading, if you even did. and well frankly i hope this helped u just to accept some words of wisdom.
    hmm....
    Maybe this'd work better if I just say what I do and don't know. So far it's been pretty disorganized here.

    There are things I know. Things I'm aware I don't know. And things I don't know that I'm not aware of.

    Kino: it's useful. I don't like it much, but I understand it's useful. I don't always know when and where to use it. However I was with a chick once and sat at the end of the couch while watching a movie with her hadn't touched her at all. Just talked a little, mostly asking her questions about herself. Then at some point I left and went in my bedroom and played my keyboard because I was bored of the movie. She followed me and started rubbing on my back. I turned around and she kissed me. Things went from there and we had sex. No kino in that situation.

    In general, any chick I meet that I want to fuck I will give at least a hug at some point. This is standard for the meantime, but I want to reverse engineer whatever happened the few times no kino was that and learn how to do that.

    This is why I say "Kino isn't needed, but it's pretty useful." That statement is 100% true. Might give an impression that kino is worthless, if you take it the wrong way.


    What to say when meeting someone: Something she hasn't heard millions of times. And something interesting. "Why does mommy beat daddy?" definitely fits in that category but is still not something that should be said. So I ask, what are good examples of things to say when you initially talk to a girl.

    How do you bring up sex without using npl or coming off as a horny pervert. I know girls want sex as much as guys. A guy can't just say they wanna fuck without her getting offended. Tried that multiple times, various different ways, negative responses all the time.

    Most important. I am pretty broke. I thank you for the link to the text thing. I don't have any money for that sort of thing [no money at all actually]. I've searched on google and various other places for a while looking for something that's free, but I can't find anything. Would you happen to know offhand?

    I know I'm asking you for help. It's generally more preferred if I have something to read by myself instead of asking a person questions. I like working alone a lot.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    I agree with what you guys are saying. The whole purpose of joining a forum such as this is to better yourself. Whether that's discovering what your specific failings are, adressing those shortcomings and sharing experiences with other members.

    If the experienced guys on this website contribute with some advice then it is YOU who is the lucky one that they have bothered to give you some solid advice in the first place. Which by the sounds of you could be using it.

    I myself would be grateful if I was offered such advice. I'm below average and I could have told you BEFORE reading anything about game that physical touching (Kino) is one of the most important aspects of escalating with a woman.

    So please, refrain from giving us new guys a bad rep by talking trash as it only means that the top end guys are going to be less likely to offer us any assistance in the future.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martano View Post
    I agree with what you guys are saying. The whole purpose of joining a forum such as this is to better yourself. Whether that's discovering what your specific failings are, adressing those shortcomings and sharing experiences with other members.

    If the experienced guys on this website contribute with some advice then it is YOU who is the lucky one that they have bothered to give you some solid advice in the first place. Which by the sounds of you could be using it.

    I myself would be grateful if I was offered such advice. I'm below average and I could have told you BEFORE reading anything about game that physical touching (Kino) is one of the most important aspects of escalating with a woman.

    So please, refrain from giving us new guys a bad rep by talking trash as it only means that the top end guys are going to be less likely to offer us any assistance in the future.
    You have contributed nothing to this thread.
    Nothing you just said hasn't been said before.

    What is the point of your post?


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