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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    The purpose of my post was, as is commonly accepted on forums to voice my opinion. Just because it does not differ, does not make it inaccurate. I felt the need to emphasise the disservice you are doing the rest of us by being so ignorant. If you fail to understand that basic concept then you need alot more help than from pua's. Go and pester a psychiatrist, they love your sort.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    ok well lets line up the questions and ill try to answer them.

    1)what to say when meeting someone (aka the approach or opening) and u preferrably want something thats not overused.
    2)How to bring up the topic of sex without using nlp or seeming creepy.
    3) a little interesting thing. even though you didnt kino, she felt the urge to kino you, thus escalating the situation with you and then going for the kiss. u didnt kino but she needed to kino before she felt comfortable enough to kiss you. so in the end kino is PREFERRED. and its not a fact of when and where to use it. cause you do it from the beginning all the way until you get passed the LMR and penetration is about to happen. you start out with something all girls are good with. arms touching, high fives and stuff like that then just keep pushing the envelope. then to hugging and leading by the small of the back. until you at that faithful moment where your touching her pussy getting her wet. so kino is just a process used from the very beginning that will help escalalte without even having to bring up the topic of sex.

    ok now to answer 1 and 2.
    1) so asking what to say to people when first meeting them or otherwise known as the approach. well this is where you choose what your comfortable with. cause describing the approach breaks up into several categories with different levels of success and risk. an operational approach is low risk great success. asking the time, or where something is. this is used usually for beginners getting used to just talk to women. next is indirect. opening her while trying not to present your attraction to her. so your basically walking up talking to her and then transitioning to a different subject. another type is opinionated. obviously the name gives it away. you just go up ask her a question to get her opinion and then u transition to a different subject. those are the types that have lower risk but great success because they dont show too much interest. but many experienced PUA's hate the canned stuff and would rather go with Direct Game and situational game. now lets take an example you have probably seen and use it as a opener aka situational. a girl has been getting hit on all night and you want to go try but every guy has been crashing and burning. use that as your opener. "oh my god. EVERY single guy in here is trying to pick you up. How annoying is that? You need to hire a bodyguard just so you can enjoy your night. Whats the deal? why does every guy in here feel the urge to try and pick you up?" this would be consider a situational opener aka crash and burn opener. every guy and been crashing and burning and u use it to your advantage. it immediately seperates you from the other guys and all the AFC and sets you as the guy that understands and is different. and then we have direct game. going up and pretty much saying "hey i saw you from across the bar and you are pretty cute. i wanted to come over and say hi". very easy to say but it creeps guys out cause it gets them so anxious and they never want to do this.

    bringing up the topic of sex without nlp or being creepy. ok this is a part where using kino helps. you use kino to help build attraction and seduce her by touch so by the time the end of the night comes (if you guys were out) she will be ready for sexual escalation and you wont have to bring it up. you dont really ever have to say "hey do you want to have sex?" there are many other things that prime her for sex or in turn make her want it from you. so basically what im saying is you need to learn some seduction techniques. i could write them down but this already is feeling like i wrote a book. gamblers videos on stealth seduction are amazing and it allows you to watch it and learn for yourself. trust me youtube is great for learning stuff. they have videos from literally every great PUA out there to give you a taste.

    as far as the money thing. there are plenty of posts i have made that give you somewhat of a taste to the system. i help give you guys a bigger sneak peek into the system. and then if you feel like going further well i helped. so in turn you guys get more info while the makers of the system get more sales. this site has tons of it. and personally if you check out my posts (even though there is over 1000) i have some real nuggets of gold out there on text game and other programs. so take the time and find them if you want.

    Why are you taking advice from me but giving everybody else shit? you seem like you can be a chill guy, just chill and give value. when you tell tcomea he seems like a robot without a personality. it seems like just an angry statement. this is another part of pua you need to maybe understand. is being somebody lots of people would like to be around. now to this most people say well i dont want them to like me if they dont like the original me. well frankly thats your decision. but i once came across an email that described the steps a PUA's goes thru from AFC to social man. i thought it was amazing and if i find it again i will post it. but it basically described a social man as someone who gives tons of values and sometimes puts other people before himself (or at least is precieved as putting them before himself) as to become more social and be less selfish. so its basically the guy people really respect and like to be around. and he goes thru the steps of describing each step. like AFC- PUA-player-recovering PUA-recovering player-social man or something like that. so rather than just say dont be a dick. i thought i would say just try and maybe be more social and approachable. cause if you can do that with us, it will in turn help you with women and make you more likeable/approachable/ she tells her friends about you and you get even more girls to try and game.
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    and martano no worries bro. me and tcomea and pjarv and still going to want to help you guys. i mean if pjarv got on an posted to this chime and got a response like that. they would probably just get into it and start cussing back and forth. but no worries if he refuses our help then he wont get help from us. i mean except me ill still just post i dont give a rats ass cause if it doesnt help him i know other people will take a look and it will help them!

    so dont worry. we are still going to help whether he is ignorant or not
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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    WOw congrats for spitting a line straight out of The Game.

    Get beyond the average point. Im referring to your skills with women dude. If you cant see that go back an reread where thatís exactly what I say. If you are not good with women and your not getting laid nearly as much as you would like, then guess what you are like every other average man out there. There is a a reason that being a PUA is different. This is the second time I have tried to make this point with you, maybe it will set in.

    As far as qualifying, there is a thing thatís used called commonalities. You are obviously well educated and thatís great and I hope you continue that im trying to get you to understand that I am as well, as are many others on this site.

    As far as KinoÖ why donít you like it?
    In your situation where the girl came and kissed you with no kino and what not your missing a VERY key point in that situation. YOU DID NOTHING, she did. She knew what she wanted from you and so when you wouldnít give it to her she had to take it. Thatís a strong and bold woman. Thatís actually very attractive in a woman, but is very rare in a woman as well. Your not going to be able to reverse engineer that one cause you didnít do anything, she did.

    You ask how do you bring up sexÖ reality is that if you properly use kino it becomes a natural progression so its not odd or weird when it comes up. Think of a snow ball rolling down a hill in a cartoon. It just gets bigger and bigger as it goes. Same idea with kino. Start small end big.

    As far as free productsÖ there are few if any.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    That's good to hear crobinson1. You guys do a good job and I hope that in the near future it will be me who is capable of giving people solid advice. There is no need for people to be rude. We are all here for a collective reason!

    Peace.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martano View Post
    That's good to hear crobinson1. You guys do a good job and I hope that in the near future it will be me who is capable of giving people solid advice. There is no need for people to be rude. We are all here for a collective reason!

    Peace.
    Stick with it and keep a positive attitude and you will be in no time. If you need help hit me up on here or send me a PM and ill give you my email. As crob knows we both love helping guys who really want to learn.

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    Thanks man. I'm sure I'll make use of that offer at some point in the near future!

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    yeah same here. i have given out my number, email and facebook. so if need be just send me a PM and i can help you out
    I live in my reality and youíre a guest

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martano View Post
    The purpose of my post was, as is commonly accepted on forums to voice my opinion. Just because it does not differ, does not make it inaccurate. I felt the need to emphasise the disservice you are doing the rest of us by being so ignorant. If you fail to understand that basic concept then you need alot more help than from pua's. Go and pester a psychiatrist, they love your sort.
    You sure.
    The purpose of your post seemed like it was to show you're in alignment with the group by putting down the groups common enemy, at the present moment: me.

    I can at least respect the others in here who don't like me.

    Quote Originally Posted by crobinson1 View Post
    Why are you taking advice from me but giving everybody else sh1t?.
    you're a lot nicer than the rest of em'.
    Kindness is something I respect. I may not always be the kindest person, or may say things that are down right mean. The moment I see someone else being nice to me, especially when they don't really have to, they're earned my respect. Usually more so if there is little to benefit from it other than maybe the satisfaction they might feel thinking they're preventing someone from living how they wouldn't want to live.

    And you seem a little more empirical when you speak.

    Very good post by the way.
    When I say I'm not sure on the timing of Kino I'm not talking about macro as much as micro. I didn't explain that well. I know you gotta do it from the start. However at a starting point it's things like, how soon can you go in and touch a girls arms.

    High fives, hugs, and other extremely common kino's are for the most part a no brainer. You can easily create the correct situation. Sometimes I say "I don't give girls handshakes." followed by a hug. Which never has negative results that I see.

    Then there're others that are, from my point of view and lifestyle, very situational. If I'm walking in a crowded place with a girl I take the opportunity to put my arm around her back any time we're never a crowd. Or if I'm asking her to come somewhere I'll shortly turn away and grab her hand as if she was willing to come and lead her there. But there needs to be a situation in order to do these things in my experience, which isn't as easy to provide like in the case with high fives, hugs, and other common kino.

    I'll look around for a few more of your post when I get the time.
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by crobinson1 View Post
    and martano no worries bro. me and tcomea and pjarv and still going to want to help you guys. i mean if pjarv got on an posted to this chime and got a response like that. they would probably just get into it and start cussing back and forth. but no worries if he refuses our help then he wont get help from us. i mean except me ill still just post i dont give a rats ass cause if it doesnt help him i know other people will take a look and it will help them!

    so dont worry. we are still going to help whether he is ignorant or not
    Martano, don't worry too much.
    Most people here are smart enough not to use a biased view on people.
    I'm assuming most have been victim to it at some point, as most PUA were at some point not very great with women.


    Now, this average thing.
    If you haven't gotten why I hate being called average yet then imagine you're the black sheep of your family. Everyone in your family is into basketball, and you for reason's you don't clearly understand don't like the game much. You'd rather play soccer. No one in your family likes that sport, they all hate it. They pick on you for being different and taking your own path in life. You're made fun of for not being average.

    But it doesn't stop there. You grow up and have never been the time to lead, follow, or even bother to get out of the way. You feel as if you have just as much right to be in this world and pursue happiness as the next guy. You aren't a big fan of taking orders and usually have an out of the ordinary unconventional way to do things. And still people poke fun of you for being different and say things like "Why can't you [insert something everyone else does] like everyone else?"

    Later on you take a personality test and find out that 1% of the population fit's into the TYPE of personality that you have, and there are 16 types, which averages out to a little more than 6% [6.25 if you want an exact figure]. Each TYPE does not make up your personality as a whole, just covers a lot of the important parts on how you think and why you think this way. But 1%. You're clearly not the average individual.

    It has been thrown in your face that you are NOT normal nor even remotely so your entire life. More often than not as a negative remark. Then one day some guys calls you average as a put down. It'd be a little irritating. You might even be offended. I sure as hell am.


    I don't think I have a whole lot of game. I know this from seeing how often and easily the average guy gets laid next to how often other guys get laid. From what I've seen, in terms of getting laid and knowing what to say I'm slightly above average. Not by enough to matter. But the point is. I know I'm not having luck with women. I'm just highly annoyed when someone says that I'm average when I've been put down my whole life for not being average guy.

    So, don't call me average. You're dead wrong when you do.

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    Default Re: Hi, I'm horrible with women. It doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcomea2 View Post
    WOw congrats for spitting a line straight out of The Game.

    Get beyond the average point. Im referring to your skills with women dude. If you cant see that go back an reread where thatís exactly what I say. If you are not good with women and your not getting laid nearly as much as you would like, then guess what you are like every other average man out there. There is a a reason that being a PUA is different. This is the second time I have tried to make this point with you, maybe it will set in.

    As far as qualifying, there is a thing thatís used called commonalities. You are obviously well educated and thatís great and I hope you continue that im trying to get you to understand that I am as well, as are many others on this site.

    As far as KinoÖ why donít you like it?
    In your situation where the girl came and kissed you with no kino and what not your missing a VERY key point in that situation. YOU DID NOTHING, she did. She knew what she wanted from you and so when you wouldnít give it to her she had to take it. Thatís a strong and bold woman. Thatís actually very attractive in a woman, but is very rare in a woman as well. Your not going to be able to reverse engineer that one cause you didnít do anything, she did.

    You ask how do you bring up sexÖ reality is that if you properly use kino it becomes a natural progression so its not odd or weird when it comes up. Think of a snow ball rolling down a hill in a cartoon. It just gets bigger and bigger as it goes. Same idea with kino. Start small end big.

    As far as free productsÖ there are few if any.
    What line was from the game?
    I've only skimmed through rules on the game and didn't see many lines in there.

    I generally don't read what you have to say most of the time.
    You start off with a put down, nearly every time. So it's safe to assume there isn't much going on afterwards that's of value to me.

    I'm honestly only reading what you said now because my movie is buffering, no one is on facebook or myspace currently, and as I went to the 2nd page in the article I'm reading the computer decided to lag since it's a pdf file. Not to mention that someone is sleeping in front of my keyboard, so that rules out playing music unless I wake someone up. Pretty much, I don't have anything better to do and I'm bored, otherwise I wouldn't bother.


    When it comes to free stuff, I'm all about free stuff.
    Take the Game for example. I have suspicions that if it were wrote the way it is so that at the current moment it's outdated useless material [hence I never actually read it] it would've been a great intentional marketing scheme to do so purposely. Which is generally what every corporation does, sells you a product that will in the future become obsolete so they can sell you a better version of what you once had.

    This is a trap.
    I don't like traps.
    I don't think anyone does.

    When something is offered for free by a non profit organization it's less likely they're setting you up for this same scenario. I'll take it and donate what I have, and support it, etc., etc..

    AFC thing. I really just hate being called average. I mentioned many times throughout this thread that I know why you're saying it, and what you mean by it, but I am still irritated and annoyed that the main put down I've had within my life is that I'm not average and now someone is calling me average as if it's a negative thing.

    The average guy, DOES have success with women. In a group of 10 guys, if 9 are virgins and one has fucked 100 women the average guy within that group has fucked 10 women. It would be successful to be average, much more successful to be the guy who's banged 100 women [unless he has the hiv].

    All statistics aside, I know what AFC means. I get it. I still hate being labled as average. So, you don't need it so "settle in" When I understood it before you ever said it.


    She's not the only girl who's done that.
    I've seen guys who'll get girls to go after them without ever once touching the girl a lot.
    I met her a while ago and would see her here and there. I was always busy doing something but always had time to say a few things to her. Usually just asked her about her day or told her about some interesting theory I had. Maybe a joke.

    She'd been over many times before and I never so much as gave her a hug.


    In high school I didn't like being touched by other people. I was the guy on the football team that hated getting patted in the ass and would avoid it at all cost. I didn't speak unless spoken to because I never cared to talk to most people. I was polite to people who initiated conversation.

    Girls would walk up to me and lock arms with me often. I never understood what it was about me that they wanted so bad that they were will to just go and get it. The way most guys here are learning how to go out and get a girl they want. Most guys here initiate the whole deal.

    In high school I played football, didn't start or anything. Started in soccer, went state in track, had straight A's, went out for basketball and quit the moment I made the team [more of a great big "Fuck you" for my family. Kinda saying, yeah I could be on the team if I wanted, but fuck the sport you've tried to force me to play all my life], was in art club, started chess club [as a cover for taking field trips to street fighter tournaments], but still never spoke to anyone unless they spoke to me.

    Back then I was asked out nearly everyday without ever using kino.
    So I'm left to assume that kino is not needed to make a girl attracted to you.


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