help with hb10 with bf

so recently i've been talking to this girl a lot. i've started to like her but she's dating one of my best friends. I am getting my driver's license next month and can ask her out then. i've been working out a lot getting into shape (sorta chubby - almost lost all weight tho) and i will be by the time i can take her on date. we talk every few nights on aim but it's always me starting the conversations. sometimes she doesnt respond for a little while too and it can get frustrating. i cant break her up with her boyfriend, even tho i can, because she's a HB10 (maybe HB9 - still really farking hot) and all the guys she knows are going after her. but it's also risky having her with her bf because they may have sex and i want her to be a virgin if we do anything (dont wanna lose it to a girl who's not one). what can i do to make her start conversations with me more and also be more active in them? thx

p.s. i dont care what happens to her boyfriend/my friend as long as he is broken up with her when something happens. i can flirt with her but not too much. also, she often asks we about whether she is too skinny because she "trusts my advice". once when they broke up for a day she called me to cry to and sh1t. not sure if this info helps but whatever.

Dude. You are so far into the friends zone it is not even funny. If she is calling you to be her "teddy bear" that is NOT a good thing. Also, you can't be hitting on your friend's girl. That is just not right man. If it wasn't your friend I would say who gives a rip, but I wouldn't hit on a girl that was my friends. It is asking for problems.

If you are in the friend zone it is way too much work to get out of there. I will tell you this. If you want a chance you need to do a Freeze Out. You also need to dhv which listening to her problems is NOT how you do that. You need to stop talking to her on AIM completely, and let things run their course.

Another way to DHV is to talk to a lot more girls in order to show preselection. That way she sees other girls are into you and it will give you higher Social Proof in her eyes.

Agent,

I am not going to be as hard on you as Nik. Seeing his posts he doesn't sugar coat things, but you should listen to him. There are PLENTY of girls out there man. Work to get one of your own. or more then one.

-Tropics

Personally, I suggest not being too desperate?

You need to go out more.

Thanks Nik, I appreciate the honesty. I'm just going to go through your comments then expand upon this whole situation, I think I presented myself poorly.

While my friend isn't abusive, he is very jealous. He constantly worries about her cheating and it is making it hard to be friends with him and he even talked about hurting himself because he was so worried. The relationship has got him pretty f-cked up, and it's hurting everyone. She isn't happy, he isn't happy. They both say the other is too good for them, and it's f-cking nuts.

The DL is because I need transportation. I'm not going to hang out with someone if we can't go anywhere. Also, a mutual friend with the BF who likes her (the poor BF has such loyal friends lol) just got a pretty nice car and she seems to be into it. My father will most likely give me his Audi convertible which won't hurt my chances. But like I said before, it's mainly so I could bring her places just the two of us.

Thanks for the motivation, it's been great getting into shape. It may be weird but it's this girl that motivates me to do it. Whenever I exercise I think of her and it helps.

I know the aim convos need to stop. I tried it last week but I kept finding excuses to talk to her. It's just difficult waiting for her to talk when I could just be the one to say hi.

What I meant was that I won't break them up out of loyalty to my friend. I would rather it happen on its own, which from talking to her I assume it will soon. I could easily convince her to ditch him but I don't think it would make her want me so I have held back. Lest she run to some real douchebag who just wants to hook up with her.

The whole virgin thing is just some "fantasy" thing like you said. But I would rather her remember me instead of some other asshole.

I am pretty awesome, I have to say. I just want to know techniques that would make her seek me instead of going after her. Not even for a sexual thing, just like opening up more. Her replies are usually short unless she vents or something, which is not what I want to listen to but I'm just glad she's talking to me. Pathetic, I know. I've just really liked her for about 2 years now.

I didn't mean to say I don't care about my friend, he's a great guy. It was just a rant thing. I care about him a lot and helped him get back with her when they broke up the first time, despite not wanting to. I just thought that she'd be better with him than the jerks that are in her grade.

I don't stroke her ego. I tell her the truth. I don't want her trying to gain weight because that could be more dangerous than her trying to lose it. She's my friend foremost and I'd rather not be a d1ck who says that she's too skinny after she lost like 20lbs (she's like 5'6" 105lb, so it's not like she was really fat before. It was all in her tits lol). When she called about breaking up with her boyfriend I told her that she was a crazy insecure bitch who didn't know what she wanted. They got back together the next day.

When she was crying and sh1t it was over the phone and I was in a diff. state. Trust me, if she was there with me alone sh1t would've gone down ;-). When they break up next time I plan to go out just us and "talk". Another reason I need the license.

Isn't it a little odd to say "wants to take what he can't get on his own and is willing to do anything to get it."? Wouldn't me taking it be getting it on my own? I am a big free-market/Ayn Rand-loving guy and I have no problems taking what I want. I just need advice on how. I just made the decision to change my life a little while ago in order to get this girl. Starting with the weight loss, then getting license, learning to interact, etc. This is all my plan in getting sh1t on my own.

I just want help in getting her to approach me. How to get out of the "friend-zone" if I'm in it, and how to seal the deal when it comes down to it. That's why I'm here.

Are you surprised Nik?

Thanks, In the Tropics.

I'm incredibly new to this, so would you mind telling me on how to perform a Freeze-Out? I try to cut off communication but it's difficult for me. Thanks.

Killian,

I'm not desperate. If I was I would be kissing up to every girl I know. The other ones I just neg or ignore out of purely being uninterested. It's just this one though. I try to play it like a game but I am too emotional with her. Emotions are so f-cking gay. And yes, I do need to go out more. Another reason for needing a license. I also tend to avoid parties despite there being one every weekend. It's just that I don't enjoy drinking with a bunch of people I have zero interest in. I'll probably start going once I've finished getting into at least pretty good shape and work on some pick up techniques.

Thanks everyone.

Freezing a girl out is exactly that. Cut off contact for awhile in order to make her wonder why you aren't interested anymore. Don't make a point to tell her why or anything, just show that you have better things to do then to worry about her. And you should have better things to do.

Doing a Freeze Out can cause a girl that is really interested to contact you in order for her to draw you back in. You need to start disqualifying her and mixing IOI's with IOD's in order to create push pull if that happens. If you just come running back like her puppy dog then she will lose the interest again right away. The Cat String Theory is based on that.