Number closing difficulties?

Hey I'm pretty new to this site but I just recently joined okcupid 2 days ago and I'm getting alot of people visiting my profile (over 20 the last two days). And got into some convos with an HB10 and HB8 but couldn't Number Close any suggestions?

HB10 Convo(short)

Me: Jeeze, fill out some questions or something so I can see if we match
Her: Will do
Me: Liar, I don't believe you but whatever I just had an amazing time at Wickerpark Fest. What did your lazy butt do?
Her: Nice... drinking atm
Me: Drinking alone is an early sign of alcoholism. GOD don't they teach you kids anything in school?

No response back but it was okay cause she seemed farking stupid anyway and treated her as atest run.

HB8 (ish) COnvo *longer

Me: God go to bed already it's 1 in the morning!! Isn't it past your bed time already?
Her: who the hell do you think you are telling me i have a bed time.sir

Me: Who the hell am I? I'm the man, that's who I am. Who are you Ms. Night Owl?

Her: Im a Pro, and being spoken to like that, you best know that im gonna talk back and not take your sh1t, man

Me: I'm sensing some hostility from you ... text me later so we can start off on a better foot :P

Her:nice try being so suave like that, you're going to have to try harder to get my phone number

Me:Trying to be suave? More like naturally suave with a hint of awesomeness. You should try it sometime when your not hiding behind your monitor

Her: You "awesomeness" is coming off as doucheyness..

Me: Was just trying to lighten the mood a little ... but it's okay I don't think we'd work out anyway.

Her: There was never a "we" to begin with, go try ur anticts on the 15yr olds they wont know what hit them

ME: You sound like someone who knows their sh1t, I take it you've been around the block more than once?

I don't know if her last response was another sh1t test but I got pretty aggrivated by that comment so I decided to end things with my own variation. I was never actually intending to date them I just wanted some practice for girls in my surrounding area. (too lazy to travel)

Getting girls to respond is easy but how do I go for the # close effectively?

My advice...

No negs or anything that could be misinterpreted as a neg when online dating. Be funny. Be different. Be a little challenging. But don't say anything that could be interpreted as a NEG.

Now I know there are some PUA's that swear by them. But their experiences are mostly with live meetings. The reason why negging rarely works online...

a) It takes a lot of balls to NEG someone face to face but on the internet it's very easy. Chances are she's already been NEGGED many many times before. Not so likely live.

b) She's probably received some actual HATE mail, not cocky/funny stuff. Your NEGS are going to remind her of the actual HATEMAIL. Guys who don't hear back after emailing often reply with HATE MAIL. It's too fine a line to walk on.

c) This is opinion only of course. But a very attractive woman who goes online for dating probably has some self esteem issues anyways. Should Never NEG these types of women.

Hmmm very good points and to be honest i don't even like negging that much, just thought it was a good way to Get Girls to respond.

Thanks for your input

I like your whole approach here, until you got offended which was both obvi to me and her! keep the swag together. fark the Number Close initially. you're the man! don't chase her! and trying to number close initially in online dating is usually a success with the needy i just broke up with my long term bf and need a rebound girls. if they're not in that boat it might require a few convo's like you just had bro! (b4 you got emo) if you got ur other girls on the string, its easy to play it cool. stay swaggerful! you trying to number close initially shows them you're more desperate than THEY are. most girls can sense this sh1t.

I like the "challenge email"...way better than a neg.

It will read something like this...

"You are obviously a very attractive woman, but if you were in a bar or nightclub and everyone else there looked exactly like you, how would you separate yourself from the crowd"?


Do you see why that works so much better? It's a compliment. But It also says that you want to challenge her mind. My response rate from this type of email is pretty high. I'd say around 75% I'm not a good looking guy but my picture is shown on my profile.

Anyways, once she has responded, don't overdo it. Just proceed on making small talk. What were your favorite tv shows growing up? Things like that.

3 emails and NO MORE than 3 emails ask for her number directly.

"Hey, I am having a great chat with you, but all this typing is giving me carpal tunnel sydrome, why don't you give me your number and we can chat sometime."

Just come out and ask. Now it is crucial that you ask for her phone number after 3 emails. You don't want to become her pen pal. She will get bored and forget about you.

A few years back, I had this great conversation flowing with a beautiful girl, about 8 years younger. We had a lot in common, grew up in the same neighbourhood, exchanged lol's etc. I must have sent her 10 emails and never asked for her number and then she disappeared. I wondered what I had done wrong. Did I say something offensive to her? Did she just meet someone else in real life?

You see I was kind of fixated on movies and tv versions of online dating like the movie "You got Mail" with Tom hanks and I thought email exchanges should last for weeks before taken to the next level. But women who are online dating DO NOT WANT TO BE ONLINE DATING, THEY WANT TO MEET GUYS IN PERSON.

And in my opinion about negging online, I like it... Just can't be too blunt. See below:

Her Headline: “This headline grabs your attention, right?”

Me: Your headline is lame! I feel like you're going to kick my ass through e-mail for that comment..

(she had a pic of her wrestling another girl in a tournament)

Her: Hahaha, at least I wasn't a huge corn dog and put "The sky is the limit". Come on! That's just silly- unless your target audience is recent high school graduates- and in that case, you'd probably have better luck scouring the streets of Boston come early September. Haha, just teasing. But I'm awarding you the "my favorite email" badge. Do you know how many times I've gotten "Your headline DID grab my attention!" or "Not only did your headline grab my attention, but (insert compliment loosely constructed from the VERY little information that I display about myself)."

Me: Well tool, looks like we both need to adjust our headlines to attract some more interesting people huh?!
Her: Or at least some legal ones

And it begins…

PokerBaby has great input btw! I just learned a little something from him. My approach is like going fishing. This type of bait won't work for every fish. But when you get a bite you can easily hook em. Agreed with his approach on Number Close. Perfect line.

Thanks Team...

Anyways, just to get back to negging. I don't want to seem like I'm the world's greatest expert with online dating. I'm definitely not. There's a time and place for everything. Guys smarter than me probably have used online negs at the right time and did something right.

Certainly, if it comes down to messaging women with a cheesy, "Hi I am a nice guy, want to chat sometime, message" and using a neg, I would side with the NEG. Most women will auto-delete any "Nice Guy Message" The NEG will strike out a lot of times but at least it will put you up at bat.

A bit off topic, but remember the old saying "if it seems to good to be true". You will sometimes see profiles of beautiful women with black and white photos and very little description. They also have little to no qualifiers as to what guys they are looking for. These profiles are very often fakes, setup by guys who just want to get your attention and/or learn what OTHER guys are doing. Avoid them, I'm happy to share ideas with the PUA community but I don't want to be used by some jerk with too much time on his hands.

I have been using an extremely simple Number Close online that hasnt failed me yet. I use POF and contrary to everyone else on here I rarely message girls and I go straight to chat with the ones online. After chatting and getting to know her a bit I say,

"I really hate typing and this stupid POF chat is all glitchy, can we just talk on the phone instead?" This is totally true btw, I do hate typing and the chat is glitchy. Ive never gotten a NO and only a couple times the girl was hesitant, in which case I said,

"Oh cmon what do you think Im gonna steal your identity with your phone number?"

I know that these seem way different from all the PUA techniques Ive read but its been working for me.