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    Default Second date, scored and then failed...

    I met this 22 year old college student, I'm 30. She is about a HB6 maybe 7. Well, we met up Friday night for Coffee and ended up chatting for almost three hours. It went great!

    I made a date for Saturday night. We met at 7pm, went to a video game store that sold vintage games(she mentioned being a huge old game nerd). We had a great time taking a trip down memory lane, and then went to dinner. We again, had a great time. We were hoping for live music because it was Cinco De Mayo, but that was a bust in our area. So I recommended we go back to my place for a movie(hang out). She agreed, but she wanted to go back to her place to change into something more comfortable. She got her PJ's and off to my place we go.

    She found my choice, Zack and Miri Make a Porno is be very hilarious. So far the night is going fantastic! She did want to see this tv show I had been talking about, but I told her it was DVRed in my bedroom so we went in there...watch it then I made my move to kiss her.

    We quickly, move from kissing, to oral, and in a huge ass rush I got lost in the moment and started having sex with her without a condom. She stops me and asks if I had a condom, I said yes and then asked if she was on birth control....of course she isn't, so I quickly, grabbed it and went back to business. Now, I can go forever, but after like 15 minutes, she stops and asks to go home....It's now 1:00am.

    She puts on her clothes and storms out waiting by my vehicle. I am in disbelief, sensing something is obviously wrong...in the car I ask if she was "good." She said yes...I then pried it out of her, she said she was upset about me starting without a condom and it was "the most asshole thing I could do." I explain that I got lost in the moment, in the heat of passion, but she was still pissed....

    I am currently using the Freeze-Out move, and have not texted her in almost two days. She has finals tomorrow, and may wait to text her tomorrow night, or the next day. I don't want to wait too long, in case I lose the chance to hook her.

    What do you guys think my chances are? I am very smitten by the conversations we had, and would love to keep on knowing her better! What are my options?

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Hey Allen 705,

    IMO I don't think the Freeze-Out here is appropriate. She sleeps with you and you freeze her out?? She's already pissed at you and you're pissing her off even more.

    Text her and tell her good luck for her finals, bro'. See if she responds. If she does, you probably fine re seeing her again.

    If she doesn't wait a few days, then text again saying you hope the finals went well, with some lame add on to get her attention and prompt a reply e.g. " Hey, hope you're good and that your finals went well. I just saw this commercial on tv and thought of you." etc.

    Hope this helps
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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Okay, so she is still talking to me, but it went way weird...and I know weird! lol

    We ended up meeting up Monday night, we clear the air about how we left things, then the sledgehammer to the gut happens. She tells me she had met someone off the dating site we met on...and hooked up earlier in the week. She plans on seeing him again, and doesn't want a relationship. She wants to be really good friends first, and then go from there. She basically, wants to hit the reset button.

    I wasn't cool with that at all, how can you do that? Have a great time, chemistry flowing, sleep with each other and hit the reset button? I talked to her again a few days ago to discuss this, she doesn't even want the FWB thing. She just wants what I said earlier...

    She's a great girl, but I don't want to waste my time on a maybe so if I do still do the friendship thing, it won't be with any intentions on any possible relationship or anything else in mind. I think I would be wasting my time otherwise.

    It still feels like some sort of sick and twisted game, and I thought I have been screwed over by almost every trick in the book by psycho chicks, but this is a new one.

    Any advice guys? Run like hell or stick around and see what happens?

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    I saw the movie Just Friends, and have been reading about the friend zone stuff on here. The confusing part, and probably the most frustrating part is that she trying to keep me on the hook by saying, she wants to be Friends and can see something more with me, and that's the best she can offer.

    I am just a bit confused on how to do that, I played the cocky role, and wanted the FWB thing, she simply isn't interested. To be fair, she did say this at the start, but I can tell she is confused and IS into me.

    We hung out the other night and talked about all this stuff, and could tell she tried everything she could to resist me(even though I refused to put any moves on her=Playing hot and cold.)

    I did do the kino, but played it safe to not overstep my bounds. Yes, I'm trying gaming techniques, so I'm doing hot and cold, warm her up and freeze her out and got amazing ioi results...touching back, re-initiates convo when I stop talking to her in text/in person, replies quickly, replies two for one, faces me when we hang out on the couch and I face forward, asked what my real first name was, and actually went to trouble of playing 20 questions till she got it right, etc.

    I'm just stuck on to continue this thing as I'm fearing I'm wasting my time.

    Just want some input on my next move...

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen705 View Post
    I saw the movie Just Friends, and have been reading about the friend zone stuff on here. The confusing part, and probably the most frustrating part is that she trying to keep me on the hook by saying, she wants to be Friends and can see something more with me, and that's the best she can offer.

    I am just a bit confused on how to do that, I played the cocky role, and wanted the FWB thing, she simply isn't interested. To be fair, she did say this at the start, but I can tell she is confused and IS into me.

    We hung out the other night and talked about all this stuff, and could tell she tried everything she could to resist me(even though I refused to put any moves on her=Playing hot and cold.)

    I did do the kino, but played it safe to not overstep my bounds. Yes, I'm trying gaming techniques, so I'm doing hot and cold, warm her up and freeze her out and got amazing ioi results...touching back, re-initiates convo when I stop talking to her in text/in person, replies quickly, replies two for one, faces me when we hang out on the couch and I face forward, asked what my real first name was, and actually went to trouble of playing 20 questions till she got it right, etc.

    I'm just stuck on to continue, i'm fearing Im wasting my time, and just want some input on my next move...
    Of course she wants to keep you on the hook. She wants you to be her little beta bitch orbiter waiting around for a shot with her. That way if other dude knocks her up she can come to you in the hopes you'll love her "in spite of her flaws".

    Just ignore her for the time being and find some more women to play with. If she comes around once in awhile, try and game her all the way to sex but otherwise leave her alone.

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    When I read your 1st post the 1st thing that came to mind was there's another guy in the picture. It is responsible to take care with contraception but most girls should understand the heat of the moment. You weren't an asshole in going bareback for a bit because your running on biological instinct and so is she and honestly she should have stopped you straight away too. Takes two to tango. So where to from here? She sounds like she's being weird mostly because she's scrambling between two guys. You either need to out compete the other guy and stay true to your confident self or move on. Have the attitude you can get girls whenever you want and if she's too much hassle now she will be in the future. Good relationships are always fairly smooth and not weird. I treat dating like job interviews - 'I am successful and valuable, I have an abundance of positive features and no matter what I am going to succeed.' if I don't get the girl or job, their loss. Keep her in the loop but keep your eyes open for new opportunities. You should be the one choosing what girls you want, not her choosing which guy she wants. Always have a plan B to work on and that helps keep your mind off things. Plus she is busy with exams and stuff, try not position yourself as an additional burden. She might get weird, pissed off whatever. That's her and not you. If she's calling the 'friends' line break that silly barrier down or move on from her completely. Not many girls are truly looking for friends - they are biological designed to settle down and make babies. She is either asking for friends because the other guy is in the picture or she's not 100% sure about you yet. Whatever game you play get her back up to 100%. I ignore it when a girl says she wants to be friends. I pounce and break through that insecure nonsense and if it doesnt work I move on. Usually the girl has issues, has another guy around, is insecure or is testing you when they want friends despite liking you. Get back to passionate (and safe) sex with her or split. Your next move is to get back to where you were in your bedroom. Otherwise what are you going to do? Hang out with her as friends and talk about the weather and not have sex when you could be bonking new girls? Or be friends in the hope she will miraculously turn around apologize and then want sex with you down the track. Bring it to the boil or mice on. I don't like waiting around in ambiguity - turn vision into reality. Stay frosty.

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Thanks for all the valuable input gentlemen! I'm going to continue to be the confident guy(she accused me twice of being too cocky today lol).

    I do have another friend lined up for tomorrow who just wants to bang and nothing more. So I won't let this girls bullcrap tie me down and bum me out...it actually bothered me for about a day, but I hit the gym and punching bag and got my head back in the game.

    I guess the only silver lining here, is her abundance of brutal honesty instead of screwing me over and not telling me the truth up front.

    I think I'm going to keep on gaming her, but still have my head on a swivel for other girls, and if she comes around....I will cross that bridge then. I mean, her personality is exactly what I'm looking for in a chick. Sadly, most of the girls/women in this area are just soooo boring in all levels, especially the intellectual side. That's about the only emotional investment or hook she has me on.

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    Okay, two weeks later I have finally cut ties with this one and currently running the baby mama circuit again. lol I found a new HB7 to focus my attention on, and will hopefully not hear from her again.

    It sucks because it's one of those rare connections you make that leads up to sex, but of course turned upside down.(story of my life!)

    She gave me no good reason whatsoever to why she wasn't into me, and I guess I will never know. Time to stop caring and move on!

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen705 View Post
    Okay, two weeks later I have finally cut ties with this one and currently running the baby mama circuit again. lol I found a new HB7 to focus my attention on, and will hopefully not hear from her again.

    It sucks because it's one of those rare connections you make that leads up to sex, but of course turned upside down.(story of my life!)

    She gave me no good reason whatsoever to why she wasn't into me, and I guess I will never know. Time to stop caring and move on!
    They never give answers because they either don't know(it's a subconscious "feeling" thing) or because they can't bear to admit the truth.

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    Default Re: Second date, scored and then failed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen705 View Post
    She gave me no good reason whatsoever to why she wasn't into me, and I guess I will never know. Time to stop caring and move on!
    They can make an avalanche out of a snowflake mate. There could be a whole history to her she never revealed. But good attitude to leave it behind and move on. Hope next time it works out better.


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