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    Default Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    I started a thread in another section where I was seeking help in order to seduce a HB9.5 light-blue-eyed blonde, perfect body and smart. As the thread went on, it seems like the girl I'm trying to PU is an Alpha Female.

    I met her a week ago in a party and managed to create a eye-to-eye bubble for more than an hour, made some tiny Kino and left with her Facebook contact. We share many interest, especially music.

    I started a facebook private message discussion and as I was testing her she cockblocked me by saying she doesn't want to be flirted with.

    She's a HB9.5 and she always have to deal with guys hitting on her. She's only been single for 2 weeks but still she says that she has a poor interest into guys.

    I do have a feeling that if I do the right moves I could win her but I'm in need of advice from the Pros. How do you win a Alpha Female? I learned I should be Alpha but how does that translate in a facebook message exchange? Have you ever had to deal with an Alpha Female?

    I skipped many details... full story is in the "Help needed getting my first HB9.5 on a date (pandora's box content)" thread in the "Ask a girl out" section of the puaforums.

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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    Ron, you have to challenge her. I do not know if you have dated Eastern European women but I have met some who are very challenging. You have to bring your A-game. The good thing about that is that if you bring that A-game and rock her world she will be yours for ever. Trust me on that.
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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    Quote Originally Posted by topgunningit View Post
    Ron, you have to challenge her. I do not know if you have dated Eastern European women but I have met some who are very challenging. You have to bring your A-game. The good thing about that is that if you bring that A-game and rock her world she will be yours for ever. Trust me on that.
    Thanks for the quick reply
    How would you translate the idea of challenging her?

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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    ** UPDATE **

    I have done my own "studies" of the question of being a challenge and I woke up in the middle of the night with an idea for a reply to my HB9.5's last message. In that message she was telling me that getting seduced by men was routine for her, and that she has little interest in guys. (She also met me by telling me I would be the character "Jughead" in Archie, which is why I ended my message with a Archie reference)

    Here's what I just replied:

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    "lol You're so full of shiitt! I understand that you need a defense mechanism against the boys that are around you... but with me you won't have the choice but to modify your sentence when you say that you have "little interest in guys"! First, it suggest that you're either asexual or a lesbian, which is clearly not the case... and try to make me believe that if you'd meet the man of your dreams, right now, you wouldn't give him any interest...

    I'm giving you a second chance to reformulate your real needs, Betty While you do that I'm taking Veronica out!"

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    I know this reply is not perfect in any way - if I had more time I would have made up something better for sure especially with the forum's input... but still I think I followed the "be a challenge" suggestion. I am a funny guy in real life so I can be a little rude without being nasty. Also, I have a good Mindset about this girl: I won't cry like a baby if I miss my shot - all I want is to learn the PUA art and if possible to score with my first HB9.5 !

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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    didn't she reply to that? I'm confused between the two threads update me here on where u are (forget about the other one)
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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    Quote Originally Posted by xavier View Post
    didn't she reply to that? I'm confused between the two threads update me here on where u are (forget about the other one)
    Here's the replies so far:

    Her:

    "Ahah you're entertaining, I have to admit...

    I'm allergic to stupidity, and not looking for a man. (Does she mean it? Or still just cockblocking me?)

    ON THE OTHER HAND (she wrote this in Capital letters) I'm not totally insensible to the charms of some rare who gets out from the lot and pushes me to investigate further! It's a rare phenomenon, but not impossible! Here you go, I gave some nuances to my previous comments!

    I float in between Betty and Veronica. Betty being the loving, "real" honest girl, and human. Veronica is the filter to get to Betty!

    Congrats on your psychology (masculine confidence almost arrogant)!
    But since I'm a psychologist... ( Holy Crap! She's a shrink-Alpha-HB9.5!!! I'm doomed!)

    "I'm taking Veronica out!" would probably be super effective on some naive insecure girls, but it doesn't really work with my lucidity, my sensitivity and my perspicacity! It's my turn to laugh! (I guess she thought I was trying to pretend I was going out with another chick which wasn't my intent - I could use this on my next reply and turn it on my advantage)

    It's funny: I bet I'll get a third chance to reformulate myself!
    Hahaha! "

    -

    Me:
    If I'm sizing you correctly...
    1) You're not insensible to my charms and you understand that I'm a rare phenomenon.
    2) You've got a "Bitch Shield" but you're ready to low it down to show me the real Betty in you.
    3) You're a psychologist. I'm surprised. Is this what you wish you would become? (here I was trying to change the subject to know her better but it obviously didn't work)
    4) You're not naive nor insecure, but you use words that don't exists (she had made a typo with the word "insensible")
    5) You like coffee (that's me laying the table to eventually talk about coffee and get her to have one with me)

    I think I've made all the reformulation work, you won't have to do it a 3rd time

    -

    Her:
    1)I'm insensible to your charms (yeah right!) but I think you're a rare phenomenon. I sized your charisma instantly.
    2)After thinking, I'm not sure I even have a "bitch shield" (lol). To be honest, in those contexts, is always a good thing in the end. It's heavy to entertain a false flirt, trying not to hurt people, playing into ambiguity. It always end up badly. There: If we say "no" we're a bitch. To give hope and fly away later, when we knew from the start it wouldn't work... hiiii! (Either she's clearly turning me down or she's talking about the other men - I can't tell)

    3) I'm not really a psychologist - I'm a specialized educator in toxicology. But I'm passionate about psychology. I have an analytic nature, and a dark past (I wonder what it is... I'll keep my questions about it for when I'll see her face to face and try to use fractionation with the info she'll give me) I see what other people don't see.

    4) I like coffee

    You see? I reformulate even when I'm not invited to do so. You see how I give you value? (What does she mean...)

    -

    Me:
    You're either the coolest girl I have met or a psycho weirdo!

    -

    Her:
    If I only have these two choices, I'd go with the cool one, 'cause I'm not really weird. Down on earth I would say. I don't know what to tell you lol!

    -

    Me:
    lol
    I must admit you made me laugh all week long...

    -

    Me: (a day later when she changed her facebook profile picture for a flower)
    Hey Betty. I see you're online and you're changing your profile pics according to your moods. So what up? Feelin' like you're blooming like a flower?

    -

    Her:
    Yeah I can't make up my mind about my profile pics. I must not be blooming, hahaha, hahaaa ambivalence, that's so me. (huh yeah? Good to know!)

    Really I must be Archie! Hahahaha (I loled for real - I'm starting to like that girl.)

    -

    Me:
    I haven't got the chance to see your freckles yet

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    Her:



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    That's where we're at right now. How do I get her into my bed now?

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    Default Re: Dealing with an Alpha Female HB9.5

    You're a psychologist. I'm surprised. Is this what you wish you would become? (here I was trying to change the subject to know her better but it obviously didn't work)4) You're not naive nor insecure, but you use words that don't exists (she had made a typo with the word "insensible")
    5) You like coffee (that's me laying the table to eventually talk about coffee and get her to have one with me)
    This is really good
    1)I'm insensible to your charms but I think you're a rare phenomenon. I sized your charisma instantly.
    she's pushing and pulling she's starting to flirt but don't fall for it don't go all AFC keep u're frame.
    (Either she's clearly turning me down or she's talking about the other men - I can't tell)
    she's talking in general y would she put hi at the end?
    (I wonder what it is... I'll keep my questions about it for when I'll see her face to face and try to use fractionation with the info she'll give me)
    that's a sane strategy
    You see? I reformulate even when I'm not invited to do so. You see how I give you value?
    she's flirting i know u might not get it but modern women are like that they know as much as we pua do about psychology in general and more about social psychology that's why they want extremly dominant males.

    I must admit you made me laugh all week long...
    Risky, not sufficient ioi's u should have said ''u can't pick i'll decide in due time'' but still i think u pulled it off.did u notice how she started qualifiying herself?
    I'm starting to like that girl.)

    Look u can like her just don't let it control u're actions
    I haven't got the chance to see your freckles yet
    what's the deal with this? inside joke? i want to see if u can go from here
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavier View Post
    what's the deal with this? inside joke? i want to see if u can go from here
    The "freckles" thing is just because Archie was a redhead character with freckles. I am trying to imply she'll show me her naked body.

    Tell me Xavier, how would you go from this text convo to the bed?

    I've been Freezing Her Out for 2 days now and the weekend is coming soon, I think it would be a good idea to make a move quickly so that she doesn't put me in the texting-buddy zone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronthepen View Post
    The "freckles" thing is just because Archie was a redhead character with freckles. I am trying to imply she'll show me her naked body.

    Tell me Xavier, how would you go from this text convo to the bed?

    I've been Freezing Her Out for 2 days now and the weekend is coming soon, I think it would be a good idea to make a move quickly so that she doesn't put me in the texting-buddy zone...
    U're very bright, seriously, u always have a good plan of action u just don't know how to execute it. Look, just ask her out in a respectful manner, the old fashion way (Njr's like that) . If she flakes (she seriously might) text her this:" look i thought u were fun to be around and i wanted to get to know u a little better and i respect u're decision so LJBF".
    P.S: u do know the diiference between flake and no right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavier View Post
    U're very bright, seriously, u always have a good plan of action u just don't know how to execute it. Look, just ask her out in a respectful manner, the old fashion way (Njr's like that) . If she flakes (she seriously might) text her this:" look i thought u were fun to be around and i wanted to get to know u a little better and i respect u're decision so LJBF".
    P.S: u do know the diiference between flake and no right?
    Thanks Xavier. I will follow your advice and ask her out the old fashion way, knowing she'll probably flake.

    As for the difference between flake and no, my feeling is that this girl can be so direct that if she says "no" it will be more than clear

    If she agrees for a "date" (I won't be using this word - too much pressure) I think I will follow one of your first advice when you said:
    dhv and only DHV keep it in A2 as long as u can don't go to A3 unless she shows undeniable ioi's.
    During the date I'll keep my eyes open for her IOI and if the right moment happens I'll do the 90% lips-closing and have her do the last 10%.


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