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    Cool Vecen's guide to online game!

    Hi there

    That is the number one thing you never want to say at any time what-so-ever in all of history ever. Set up any fake female profile on any site and you will get exactly one bajillion and ¾ messages saying just that.

    But you already knew that! (Hopefully)

    While I will go into many specifics, this is going to be a more high-end in terms of thought process. Now to be clear, this is a lot from what I have learned from stuff I found online, and from talking with people who have had success online. I have had moderate success online, in that I have managed to gain several actual conversations: not bad seeing as I started like 2 weeks ago!

    So if I could condense what I have learned into just three main points, it’s this:
    1. Online game is NOT real-life game transferred over.
    2. You do not want to have a profile, but an advertisement
    3. It’s a numbers game people

    And finally, have persistence! Online game is an art, and as long as you DON’T GIVE UP and keep at it, you WILL succeed eventually! I believe in you!

    So to begin, there is a fundamental aspect about online game that makes it so different from a cold approach or even a warm approach; women are looking for boyfriends! There is a lack of ambiguity in this department, and while some people may say this destroys the ‘mysteriousness’ of the situation, this is actually a huge advantage for one simple reason: you can assume rapport and attraction. Let that sink in for a moment. Because you are both looking for someone to date (or fool around with) you can assume that if you message them, or vice versa, that you already have at least some attraction and rapport. Not only that, but this goes into behavioral theory; if you act like you have known someone for a while, they will begin to mimic your energies. Instead, you should view online game as a quick transition period of meeting a women and then meeting them In Real Life (IRL).


    So you are now asking yourself, what should I do? Well, work on these things in this order: messages, pictures, then your personal advertisement.

    MESSAGES
    I prefer to only use copy-paste openers in certain situations. They make the assumption that you have to build attraction. Go to any one of our threads that have someone proposing the ‘best’ copy paste message, and you will find responses that give out success rates going from 0% to 100%. Why is this?

    Because of their profiles. Copy paste messages do almost nothing to show that you are confident or you are a prize worth catching. However, they do get the girls attention simply because they are different from the usual “hey” or “baby u so hawt” messages they are regularly inundated with, and they will check out your profile. If you have an outstanding personal advertisement, then you will probably have a response, otherwise you may be passed over. Also, you usually have to play text game for a while before number closing or IRL closing (getting her to agree to a date). Finally, hotter women probably have already received some form of a copy paste message, and are wise to their presence.
    BUT they CAN work sometimes, and to summarize

    Copy paste openers:
    Pros
    -Allows you to get a lot of messages out very quickly
    -Can be used to show that you are cocky funny

    Cons
    -You have to play text game to # and IRL close
    -Tend to be inconstant
    -You have to work on your profile harder to get their attention

    When to use ‘em:
    On the women that you have some interest in, but not as much as your ‘main’ contenders. Send them out, but don’t expect a good success rate. They are for ‘backburners’ so to speak. If they message back, take the time to look at their profile before deciding whether to invest in text game.
    Where to get ‘em:
    Look anywhere under the online game tab for this site. In fact, I should probably make a thread for that and get the mods to sticky it.

    Veconian messaging: Ok, I’ll admit I totally ripped this off from several free eBooks I saw and then slapped my name on it. But it’s very good!

    This is a personalized form of E-mail, designed to convey
    -that you are not timid of women (which indirectly implies that you are preselected and hang out with women already).
    -that attraction and rapport are assumed/established between the two of you
    -That you are fun, have your head on straight, and are a catch!
    There are literally so many ways to do this, and I encourage you to experiment with how this can be done, but I have found the following process to work well:

    1. Gather data
    -find ONE interest you both share
    -look over ALL her photos (see photo scanning below)
    -briefly scan through her profile to see if she drops her name anywhere
    -look for just a few things to tease her over
    There is no need to look for anything else, so don’t waste time reading the entire thing (you will do that later, the reading part, not wasting time.)

    2. Do NOT do this stuff
    -start with a ‘hi’ or formality of ANY type.
    -ONLY ask to ‘meet up’ somewhere, or for her number.
    -use improper grammar or 1337 spk
    -talk about her bewbs or any other blatantly sexual aspect that she has.
    Just to make sure we are on the same page.

    3. Notice the context of the situation
    -Are you messaging and viewing her profile first?
    -Did she view your profile before you contacted her?
    -Did she message you first?

    If it is situation 1, then…
    Write a full message!
    Here’s what I recommend: have your first line be a sort of tease, as though you were speaking to a longtime friend. In fact, you want a couple of teases throughout your message. NOTE: I highly advise against negging her! You only want to do some good clean teasing. Also, make sure to watch for any ways your tease could be misconstrued; you do not have body language or tone of voice to prove that you are only teasing, so use your words wisely. After the opener, go into your shared interest. Drop a story about 2-3 sentences long about it, make sure it is detailed and that it MATCHES YOUR PERSONALITY. If you are a bit quirky talk about how you did something strange in relation to your shared interest. If you are funny talk about how you cracked jokes the entire time. Make the story personal yet brief. Engage as many of the human senses as you can as well! Finally, make one last sentence going for a Number Close, but be sure to frame it as:
    -why don’t I give you a call.
    NOT
    -Give me your number.
    See the difference? Frame it as you giving her something, not her giving you something. Another way to do this is to say something like “why don’t we go out for drinks sometime, what do you say about that?” This implies a date and will usually enable you to get her number.
    Finally, don’t ask any questions, but instead make statements.
    And of course, ALWAYS send out your message when she is online, preferably within the first 5 minutes of her signing in.
    -sign your name at the bottom too, but only your first name

    If it is situation 2, then…
    Make a tease about how she is checking you out or stalking you! Then proceed with a full message, minus the opener (the checking out bit was the opener) And remember, if she is checking your profile, it almost always means that you were in her searches, and thus fir her type to some respect. Use this to your advantage!

    If it is Situation three, then…
    You are set my friend! Go immediately for a number close, in the framed way I spoke of and make sure to add a tease or two. You may also want to compliment her on her bravery! However, if she is someone you don’t want to date, then be a gentleman (not a nice guy) and thank her for her interest, that there are still plenty of guys who would want her, and then go about your day.

    Photo scanning
    This is to avoid common tricks girls use to trick you to think they are something they are not (like being a billion pounds lighter)
    Only face shots? She has something to hide!
    Only one grainy photo? She has something to hide!
    Face obscured in some way for ALL her photos? She has something to hide!
    Cropped photo showing face and apparently large breasts but nothing else? She has something to hide!

    Now I am only saying that she is hiding something, as we have to remember that perhaps you enjoy larger women (as I do) or you do not mind facial imperfections. However, I always prefer if the woman can own her weight and is confident with it.

    The Second message
    This realm has a much greater natural game feel to it, but there are several situations which I hear about a lot that I feel should be addressed.

    You sent the message and no response: leave it for now, even if she is hot. There are others, and sending a second message soon after you send the first one will look like neediness.

    You send a message, she checks your profile out, and no message: same as the above scenario, but look over your profile and consider tweaking it.

    You send a message, she replies, but no number: don’t push it! You have her interest, keep up the texting game, funny cocky, exude your personality, but do mention a date! Make it non-committal yet fun and light.
    P.S., number closing is actually not necessary Online! With the advent of Skype, Google chat, or literally any number of other of microphone using software programs, the phone is not really needed! In fact, I usually only go for Skype close because I am have to pay for minutes on my cell phone plan.

    You send a message, and she replies with something like “hi”: not worth your time. If she is not putting in effort now, how do you think things will go later?

    The Phone call (or other communication means)
    This is actually only a test to make sure she is real. Make sure whatever means you choose it has a voice component, and keep the conversation short and sweet. Now, I recommend looking at phone game for what to do, but I usually try to only DHV myself a little and then move on; details can be done over regular messages!

    Ultimately, online game is an experimental process, so try out new things and tactics! Remember, PERSISTENCE IS KEY, and if you persist then you will be ahead of like 90% of the other guys! Huzzah!

    Whew! That’s a lot of typing, going to just put this up here for now, and then edit in the other sections at a later time. Like, give 5 stars, and request a sticky please!
    "My enemies are advanced, bold, intelligent and powerful. But I am evolved"
    -Kerrigan

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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    "its a numbers game" this is one of my big philosophy's for sarging in generall, you can't let rejection get in the way of inevitable success

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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    Yo Autismus, you seem very good at Online game, Could you please help add to this guide??
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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    Nice post!!

    I've had a bit of "Online Dating" experience myself... and the advice of setting up a fake girl's / recon profile, is something I tell the guys who I've been tutoring, if they're going to use dating sites.

    When you see how many messages a girl gets, & what most of them consist of, it gives you a much better idea of what NOT to say when YOU email a girl.



    As long as you're confident & unique, you can get her attention & have a much better chance of progressing to a more fruitful encounter.

    And even though I was able to develop solid online game, I STILL had plenty of "no replies".
    But it doesn't matter when you're messaging several dozen girls, & twice as many are messaging you first.



    Thanks for the contribution!!
    This is definitely a helpful thread!!


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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    T-mal, would you mind posting your profile on here? I am always hungry for examples of good stuff!

    P.S. in a week how many women usually contact you first?
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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vecen View Post
    T-mal, would you mind posting your profile on here? I am always hungry for examples of good stuff!

    P.S. in a week how many women usually contact you first?
    bump. I too am interested in the latter part.

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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    This should be a sticky. Great post.

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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    Sticky (done) - thanks for the request

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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vecen View Post
    Yo Autismus, you seem very good at Online game, Could you please help add to this guide??
    Sure thing! My secret is that I ripoff T-Mal He's got some good sh1t (and now I'll be rippingoff Vecen too)

    Lol jk jk... kinda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vecen View Post
    Set up any fake female profile on any site and you will get exactly one bajillion and ¾ messages saying just that.

    Lol why do I get the feeling like you've tried ^ this. Awesome. That's the kinda sh1t I do too.

    Now I am only saying that she is hiding something, as we have to remember that perhaps you enjoy larger women (as I do) or you do not mind facial imperfections. However, I always prefer if the woman can own her weight and is confident with it.

    I like that ^ I like that frame. Takes into account 'who' she is, not just what she looks like.
    Seriously beautiful post Vecen. Thorough and detailed.

    I like the focus on messaging, pictures and personal advertisement. One of the biggest differences with Online Game is the lack of body language - but even messages and pictures have their gestures of sorts.

    In messaging, if you notice her messaging habits quickly then you can also notice when she deviates from those default habits (a principle in body language reading). Maybe she uses a "LOL" instead of her usual "haha" maybe you get the little indicator on the screen that tells you she's typing, then erases quickly and just says "hbu?" Each of these little deviations from her usual default habits don't mean anything on their own, but in clusters (just like with clusters of gestures) you can derive meaning - or at least know that 'something is up' - it usually means the set is changing (time for a Phase Shift to escalate or blow out) indicated by what all else is going on.

    In her pictures too (usually most applicable to facebook) you can tell if she's pulling away from others in the pose and determine her "personal bubble" of spacial comfort - so that you can be pre-calibrated when you MIRL.

    Also the concept of a personal advertisement is something that can have a huge impact depending on the girl. This is in effect the sum total of how you present yourself IMO, it's the equivalent of your avatar that you would have in real life. I certainly don't advocate over-thinking, but this is the time to hammer out the details: is the clothing you wear in your pictures indicative of your lifestyle? Is the syntax in your text consistent with your socio-economic culture? Do your hobbies and interests seem to be in line with the way you speak and carry yourself? Aaaand most importantly, once you've assembled this collage that becomes the character to walk out onto the stage of life, do you understand precicely the niche appeal that gestalt collage has for a woman?

    Among unique men, appeal is never universal. But universally women are curious to the unique.


    Wow, that ^ was longer than I expected... that's what she said!

    ...I wish! xD
    Last edited by Autismus; 11-17-2012 at 05:36 PM. Reason: comedic timing
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    Default Re: Vecen's guide to online game!

    this thread has alot of useful info that i will b tryin within the next few min lol....i hav been tryin to get in to the swing of the online dating just to see if i can find some lady friends on days that i stay home lol...i thought i would give up the online dating completely but i keep hearing people hav successful stories lol i mean i just want to be that guy wit alot of good stories n i just want to thank both of u guys for the good advice u hav provided...if u guys hav plenty of fish u can look at my profile n give me tips any things i can change or add plenty of fish= mandito89


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