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Thread: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

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    Question Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    One big thing I've learned in pick up is that despite what people have said and taught in their programs, there are really no real signals for when a woman is interested. It's pretty much a guessing game.

    I've come to realize that all the things from women in the following list:

    touching you,
    leaning on you,
    turning towards you (while sitting or standing, etc.),
    eye-contact with smile,
    giving you things,
    buying you things,
    blatantly flirting with you,
    complimenting you,
    always enjoying their time around you,
    being unnecessarily close or unnecessarily touching you,
    asking for your number,
    suggesting to hang out,
    longer than usual hugs,
    laughs unnecessarily at all your jokes,
    talks about how interesting and funny you are,
    requests to hang out / go out with you,
    holds hands with you with fingers interlocked,
    asks for your number (or name, age, residence)
    etc.


    All these things can mean - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
    (especially from those who are religious fanatics)

    Yes, you read correctly - I've been in a few situations where I thought I was getting signals when these things were going on and it turned out there was no real interest there. I'm not sure what it was/is, but they often times aren't "interested" (because I seriously doubt that anyone who's truly interested would choose to not initiate calls or texts or be somewhat wishy washy with their behaviors and text communications). Not only that, but there's also the possibility that she could do the same things with other guys - ALL WHILE also having a boyfriend (I've personally witnessed this, too), so either they're not really interested, or they're interested in pretty much any guy who seems interesting at the moment....

    I remember posting on facebook a PUA video from one of the best PUA's on "How to tell if a woman is interested" and someone went off on me talking about how all that is not true and if I choose to believe that those were signals then I am only fooling myself and will make myself more confused. I rebutted and argued, but then learned from real life experience that the person who commented back at me was right!

    Unless I'm missing something here, I don't think there is any sure sign to tell whether or not a woman is interested. I've received a bunch of reactions/body language displays that one would assume were signs but it turned out to be nothing. Either I'm getting mixed signals because I have no idea what I'm truly supposed to be looking for or I'm still screwing up somewhere because something's not right. I see other guys who look (and often times act) way worse than me successfully get girlfriends or get sex, and I'm not even talking about bad boys here when I say "act worse," although I have noticed that it's nearly impossible to achieve success with women if you are a nice guy as well.

    I have quite a few women who enjoy my presence, love being around me, and many who feel comfortable making physical contact since I ALWAYS establish physical contact very early on and build comfort very quickly. A majority of them enjoy my charismatic personality and the fact that I can change their emotions. They literally tell me how interesting I am and act very interested in seeing me (of course, some more than others). However, when it's not religion or cultural differences keeping us apart, then it's the problem where they rarely to never initiate the first call or text or only sometimes text back (and this is regardless of whether or not I take them out to spend alone time with them). I should also mention that these are females I see very often throughout the week. They have no problem giving me their phone numbers, and often times, since I know I'll see them multiple times a week / month, I wait for a legitimate reason to get it or for them to voluntarily offer it based on comfort or them eventually wanting to hang out with me. That sure works better than trying to rush things.

    So....... in other words, I have no idea what's going on here (and this is coming from a guy who now impresses and shows other guys how to approach, meet, and start conversations with women)!

    32 years in the game as of today, yet despite all the improvements I've made over time, I'm still lost when it comes to this stuff.

    My more recent successes have only confused me more in a way because obviously I'm getting some sort of attraction going on here but can't seem to get things exactly right. I've got to get it together QUICK because if I let another 30 years pass, next thing I know I'll be a senior citizen who missed out on a lot of my childhood all because I had to relearn all the social skills necessary to operate normally within society. I blame aspergers for this.

    I wont even get to texting or internet dating because I simply have no idea how to do those things in a proper manner. If it were up to me, I'd permanently eliminate all text and require all in person meetings or actual phone calls.

    If anyone has gotten signals for whether or not a woman is interested figured out or has any REAL solutions to help me solve the problem of knowing whether or not a woman is interested, please let me know.

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    One big thing I've learned in pick up is that despite what people have said and taught in their programs, there are really no real signals for when a woman is interested. It's pretty much a guessing game.

    I've come to realize that all the things from women in the following list:

    touching you,
    leaning on you,
    turning towards you (while sitting or standing, etc.),
    eye-contact with smile,
    giving you things,
    buying you things,
    blatantly flirting with you,
    complimenting you,
    always enjoying their time around you,
    being unnecessarily close or unnecessarily touching you,
    asking for your number,
    suggesting to hang out,
    longer than usual hugs,
    laughs unnecessarily at all your jokes,
    talks about how interesting and funny you are,
    requests to hang out / go out with you,
    holds hands with you with fingers interlocked,
    asks for your number (or name, age, residence)
    etc.

    All these things can mean - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
    (especially from those who are religious fanatics)

    IOIs are there to help you, but it is your inner gut that should tell you if she is in interested. You just know.
    At times you have to hold on a litlle longer and make the move at the right moment. If you do it too late then you are gone despite the previous IOIs. If it is too early you will be rejected.

    Yes, you read correctly - I've been in a few situations where I thought I was getting signals when these things were going on and it turned out there was no real interest there. I'm not sure what it was/is, but they often times aren't "interested" (because I seriously doubt that anyone who's truly interested would choose to not initiate calls or texts or be somewhat wishy washy with their behaviors and text communications). Not only that, but there's also the possibility that she could do the same things with other guys - ALL WHILE also having a boyfriend (I've personally witnessed this, too), so either they're not really interested, or they're interested in pretty much any guy who seems interesting at the moment....

    You are the man and you initiate calls! Not the other way round. If you have sparked off enough attraction there will be a point when she will be chasing you.

    I remember posting on facebook a PUA video from one of the best PUA's on "How to tell if a woman is interested" and someone went off on me talking about how all that is not true and if I choose to believe that those were signals then I am only fooling myself and will make myself more confused. I rebutted and argued, but then learned from real life experience that the person who commented back at me was right!

    There are some chicks that will show you IOIs to manipulate you, but those are easilly spotted.

    Unless I'm missing something here, I don't think there is any sure sign to tell whether or not a woman is interested. I've received a bunch of reactions/body language displays that one would assume were signs but it turned out to be nothing. Either I'm getting mixed signals because I have no idea what I'm truly supposed to be looking for or I'm still screwing up somewhere because something's not right. I see other guys who look (and often times act) way worse than me successfully get girlfriends or get sex, and I'm not even talking about bad boys here when I say "act worse," although I have noticed that it's nearly impossible to achieve success with women if you are a nice guy as well.

    When I read your post for the first time I kind of missed reading the above paragraph, and I thought to myself it seems to me that this guy is way too nice. Ater rereading your whole post and reading the above paragraph you confirmed it. Stop being Mr. Nice Guy!


    I have quite a few women who enjoy my presence, love being around me, and many who feel comfortable making physical contact since I ALWAYS establish physical contact very early on and build comfort very quickly. A majority of them enjoy my charismatic personality and the fact that I can change their emotions. They literally tell me how interesting I am and act very interested in seeing me (of course, some more than others). However, when it's not religion or cultural differences keeping us apart, then it's the problem where they rarely to never initiate the first call or text or only sometimes text back (and this is regardless of whether or not I take them out to spend alone time with them). I should also mention that these are females I see very often throughout the week. They have no problem giving me their phone numbers, and often times, since I know I'll see them multiple times a week / month, I wait for a legitimate reason to get it or for them to voluntarily offer it based on comfort or them eventually wanting to hang out with me. That sure works better than trying to rush things.

    So....... in other words, I have no idea what's going on here (and this is coming from a guy who now impresses and shows other guys how to approach, meet, and start conversations with women)!

    32 years in the game as of today, yet despite all the improvements I've made over time, I'm still lost when it comes to this stuff.

    My more recent successes have only confused me more in a way because obviously I'm getting some sort of attraction going on here but can't seem to get things exactly right. I've got to get it together QUICK because if I let another 30 years pass, next thing I know I'll be a senior citizen who missed out on a lot of my childhood all because I had to relearn all the social skills necessary to operate normally within society. I blame aspergers for this.

    I wont even get to texting or internet dating because I simply have no idea how to do those things in a proper manner. If it were up to me, I'd permanently eliminate all text and require all in person meetings or actual phone calls.

    Read the post by T-mal on texting:
    http://www.puaforums.com/how-text-girl/13034-texting-dos-donts-conversational-bible.html

    If anyone has gotten signals for whether or not a woman is interested figured out or has any REAL solutions to help me solve the problem of knowing whether or not a woman is interested, please let me know.

    Read Mystery and the whole thing about DHVs and escalating.
    Make the impossible possible!

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    to me... the IOIs are just confidence signals for me.

    like u, i move on gut feelings, but i will get bolder the more IOIs i get.

    what a lengthy article.! 0.0

    cheers

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    I think some parts of my original post were misunderstood... but I guess the most important thing I forgot to add is that in most cases, the ioi's NEVER go away. I had an entire semester of IOI's from a lot of the same girls who didn't want to answer calls or only text back sometimes or can't date people who aren't as faithfully "Christian" as they are, etc. So I cannot tell whether "I'm gone" or not.

    I think I need more advanced text coaching because I've already seen that Text Bible and although it has helped me to a small degree, I do need much more than that. As far as reading / learning more PUA material, both my best friend (who is exceptionally successful with women and has been all his life) and a few family members are saying I need to stop researching and learning this material because it's beginning to only do more harm than good. But I feel like the 8 years I've been doing this stuff still isn't enough. Not sure if I can change myself much more than I have before I start becoming "fake" or adopting a personality I don't care for and I've gotten into lengthy arguments with people online about my quest to change and whether or not it was a good idea for me to change myself rather than just being myself. They don't buy the fact that you must be a certain way and do what's necessary to get whatever results you desire in life (despite the fact that this is 100% true) and think it's better that I had remained my old (unsuccessful) self.

    THEN I've also heard that I'm underestimating myself and focusing on my failures instead of focusing on and seeing my improvements & successes.

    As far as the nice guy vs. bad boy thing, with all the definitions for "bad boy" I've seen from David Wygant and others, I'm not exactly sure if I still fall in the nice guy category. I guess being known for "being seen with a different girl ALL the time" isn't a bad thing... But I surely need to learn how to be a bad boy through texts and chats - WITHOUT coming across too serious or like a jerk through text! When I mentioned guys who "act worse" than me, I didn't mean bad boy types. I meant guys who are bizarre or very odd looking.

    I have absolutely no problem with naturally making girls laugh and have fun around me and opening up girls who are shy or resistent at first.

    Not sure if typing in a forum will clearly get what I'm trying to communicate across because I'm sure it's being misinterpreted; People cannot actually see me in action based purely on description and I'm sure people reading are seeing me a different way than I actually am and making judgements based on their own past personal experiences with women and applying their experiences to what they're reading. But I figured that writing here should be good since this forum is geared specifically towards this subject.





    By the way, I just got a "hey" from someone in my facebook chat. I've always tried to avoid facebook chats, but now that many girls are beginning to add themselves to my page as friends to keep in contact, it's inevitable that I will have to learn who to chat properly.

    QUESTION IS:
    What is the proper thing to say in response to "hey"?

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    By the way, I ALMOST replied to the "hey" that I got in my inbox from the girl - but then something told me not to send it. I decided to do a little "text game research" and sure enough, PRECISELY what I was going to say back to the girl was THE FIRST thing on the list of things I'm not supposed to say!

    Now I have no idea what to do, and I'm sure simply not replying will not help either...

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    lmao... breath... breaaaaath.

    u respond when ur ready...

    the problem u have is - u have too much invested, pressured, and worry over her reaction. ur juggling and u dunno how to juggle.

    chill - speak to her like someone u like - not need.

    i mean - u wrote two loooooong posts - fueled by ur past experiences and ignited by HER.

    my responses are catchy and different... and i don't worry abt failing. she either eats more or doesn't. u can't force the response u want - but u can groom her to the general area.

    did i confuse u or does that help.?

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    Quote Originally Posted by Konnect Life View Post
    One big thing I've learned in pick up is that despite what people have said and taught in their programs, there are really no real signals for when a woman is interested. It's pretty much a guessing game.

    Yes. The social "sciences" are always a guessing game - after you become calibrated to game your guesses will be right more often than wrong

    I've come to realize that all the things from women in the following list:

    touching you,
    leaning on you,
    turning towards you (while sitting or standing, etc.),
    eye-contact with smile,
    giving you things,
    buying you things,
    blatantly flirting with you,
    complimenting you,
    always enjoying their time around you,
    being unnecessarily close or unnecessarily touching you,
    asking for your number,
    suggesting to hang out,
    longer than usual hugs,
    laughs unnecessarily at all your jokes,
    talks about how interesting and funny you are,
    requests to hang out / go out with you,
    holds hands with you with fingers interlocked,
    asks for your number (or name, age, residence)
    etc.


    All these things can mean - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
    (especially from those who are religious fanatics)

    Stop thinking in terms of absolutes. Just because these IOI's (and good list btw, I'm going to copy/paste it for my personal reference) just because they it isn't guaranteed that you'll get laid after a girl touches your arm while laughing at your joke, doesn't mean the IOI means nothing. Most likely it has a different meaning in a different context - i.e. you've built too much comfort and not enough attraction.

    Yes, you read correctly - I've been in a few situations where I thought I was getting signals when these things were going on and it turned out there was no real interest there. I'm not sure what it was/is, but they often times aren't "interested" (because I seriously doubt that anyone who's truly interested would choose to not initiate calls or texts Actually yeah, a lot of girls don't initiate calls or texts because... I dunno, they prefer men who initiate and dominate - goes with the whole alpha and also deniability thing
    or be somewhat wishy washy (whishy/wash = "flaky" a girl will flake if you haven't built enough attraction)with their behaviors and text communications).
    Not only that, but there's also the possibility that she could do the same things with other guys - ALL WHILE also having a boyfriend (I've personally witnessed this, too), so either they're not really interested, or they're interested in pretty much any guy who seems interesting at the moment.... Don't worry about other guys. Srsly, don't get that invested in one chick until you've been dating for a while

    I remember posting on facebook a PUA video from one of the best PUA's on "How to tell if a woman is interested" and someone went off on me talking about how all that is not true (was it a girl that went off on you? - well first of all, don't post PUA sh1t on your facebook because it will be a red flag and girls will think you're trying to manipulate them - best to keep it secret that you study PUA - and if it was a girl that went off it's probably because it was a threat to her plausable deniability - if a guy he's stuck in too many friendzones)and if I choose to believe that those were signals then I am only fooling myself and will make myself more confused. I rebutted and argued, but then learned from real life experience that the person who commented back at me was right!

    Unless I'm missing something here, (Probably just that you're building too much comfort and not enough attraction) I don't think there is any sure sign to tell whether or not a woman is interested. (You are correct on that! There is no sure way to tell - even if a girl says "I want you to fark me now" I'd still even keep gaming because it could be a test O.o
    I've received a bunch of reactions/body language displays that one would assume were signs but it turned out to be nothing. ("turned out nothing" - like, did you go direct and she told you LJBF? - that means you probably skipped the attraction phase)
    Either I'm getting mixed signals because I have no idea what I'm truly supposed to be looking for or I'm still screwing up somewhere because something's not right. (Have you read Mystery Method? It will explain the process.)
    I see other guys who look (and often times act) way worse than me successfully get girlfriends or get sex, and I'm not even talking about bad boys here when I say "act worse," although I have noticed that it's nearly impossible to achieve success with women if you are a nice guy as well.

    I have quite a few women who enjoy my presence, (Sounds like friendzone...) love being around me, ...still sounds like friendzone...) and many who feel comfortable making physical contact (...yep. that's the friendzone = high comfort, low attraction)
    since I ALWAYS establish physical contact very early on and build comfort very quickly. (don't build comfort until AFTER attraction is high) A majority of them enjoy my charismatic personality and the fact that I can change their emotions. They literally tell me how interesting I am and act very interested in seeing me (of course, some more than others). ...still friendzone, remember: attraction THEN comfort.
    However, when it's not religion or cultural differences keeping us apart,


    So....... in other words, I have no idea what's going on here (and this is coming from a guy who now impresses and shows other guys how to approach, meet, and start conversations with women)!

    32 years in the game as of today, yet despite all the improvements I've made over time, I'm still lost when it comes to this stuff.
    If you're playing as an older guy your game is going to have to be different - you need to be very alpha and have a very solid frame. Rapport won't be as necessary for you as for a younger guy.

    ...obviously I'm getting some sort of attraction going on here but can't seem to get things exactly right. Nah, you're getting comfort but not enough attraction I've got to get it together QUICK because if I let another 30 years pass, next thing I know I'll be a senior citizen who missed out on a lot of my childhood all because I had to relearn all the social skills necessary to operate normally within society. I blame aspergers for this.
    ...Asburgers? is that like burgers from yah @$$? Nah, nah, I'm kidding of course. Yeah it's gonna be difficult, but it's also necessary. Trust me.

    I wont even get to texting or internet dating because I simply have no idea how to do those things in a proper manner. If it were up to me, I'd permanently eliminate all text and require all in person meetings or actual phone calls.
    Nah bro, you need solid game in all environments. It can be done, just gotta calibrate to it.

    If anyone has gotten signals for whether or not a woman is interested figured out or has any REAL solutions to help me solve the problem of knowing whether or not a woman is interested, please let me know.
    "REAL solutions" as in guaranteed? There are none. Just ways to increase (or decrease) the odds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Konnect Life View Post
    I think some parts of my original post were misunderstood... but I guess the most important thing I forgot to add is that in most cases, the IOI's NEVER go away. (Yeah that's the friendzone - too much comfort) I had an entire semester of IOI's from a lot of the same girls who didn't want to answer calls or only text back sometimes or can't date people who aren't as faithfully "Christian" as they are, etc. So I cannot tell whether "I'm gone" or not.
    An entire semester? - college game is gonna be different than club/bar game. For college girls (if you're older) you're going to have to be the world-wise debonaire silver fox type that intrigues their young minds.

    I think I need more advanced text coaching because I've already seen that Text Bible and although it has helped me to a small degree, I do need much more than that. As far as reading / learning more PUA material, both my best friend (who is exceptionally successful with women and has been all his life) and a few family members are saying I need to stop researching and learning this material because it's beginning to only do more harm than good. But I feel like the 8 years I've been doing this stuff still isn't enough. Not sure if I can change myself much more than I have before I start becoming "fake" or adopting a personality I don't care for and I've gotten into lengthy arguments with people online about my quest to change and whether or not it was a good idea for me to change myself rather than just being myself. They don't buy the fact that you must be a certain way and do what's necessary to get whatever results you desire in life (despite the fact that this is 100% true) and think it's better that I had remained my old (unsuccessful) self.
    ...this ^ is all some very specific inner-game stuff. Shoot me a PM.

    THEN I've also heard that I'm underestimating myself and focusing on my failures instead of focusing on and seeing my improvements & successes.

    As far as the nice guy vs. bad boy thing, with all the definitions for "bad boy" I've seen from David Wygant and others, I'm not exactly sure if I still fall in the nice guy category. I guess being known for "being seen with a different girl ALL the time" isn't a bad thing... But I surely need to learn how to be a bad boy through texts and chats - WITHOUT coming across too serious or like a jerk through text! When I mentioned guys who "act worse" than me, I didn't mean bad boy types. I meant guys who are bizarre or very odd looking.
    I had a really successful pickup the other day wearing a zebra-print bathrobe and a cow-print cowboy hat to a bar. Bizzare/odd looking = peacocking if you have a solid inner frame.

    I have absolutely no problem with naturally making girls laugh and have fun around me and opening up girls who are shy or resistent at first. This is all comfort, but not attraction.

    Not sure if typing in a forum will clearly get what I'm trying to communicate across because I'm sure it's being misinterpreted; People cannot actually see me in action based purely on description
    Nah, but we can get the gist of it, those of us that've been in the game for enough sarges to see most types of sticking points

    and I'm sure people reading are seeing me a different way than I actually am and making judgements based on their own past personal experiences with women and applying their experiences to what they're reading. But I figured that writing here should be good since this forum is geared specifically towards this subject.





    By the way, I just got a "hey" from someone in my facebook chat. I've always tried to avoid facebook chats, but now that many girls are beginning to add themselves to my page as friends to keep in contact, it's inevitable that I will have to learn who to chat properly.

    QUESTION IS:
    What is the proper thing to say in response to "hey"?
    Either nothing, or neg her for being the type of girl to send a half-@$$ed one-word conversation starter. If a girl gets that kind of "hey" message, she ignores it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Konnect Life View Post
    By the way, I ALMOST replied to the "hey" that I got in my inbox from the girl - but then something told me not to send it. I decided to do a little "text game research" and sure enough, PRECISELY what I was going to say back to the girl was THE FIRST thing on the list of things I'm not supposed to say!

    Now I have no idea what to do, and I'm sure simply not replying will not help either...
    Simply not responding is called NC (no contact) around here, and actually yeah, it will build attraction a little bit. Also known as "Freeze-Out"
    DTF HB's omw 2 LTR

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    sooooo muuuuch texxt.! hurts mah eyes

    >.<

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    Interestingly enough, I also learned from another dating guru that simply not responding or "missing in action" is THE WORST thing you could do....

    Also, as disappointing as the news was, I think I learned my problem through one of the answers here; I THOUGHT I learned how to spark and establish attraction. However, turns out I was ONLY building comfort. Finding this out is like going to school for many years and excitedly thinking that you've finally passed the hardest class you've never had success with - only to find out that the credit for that class doesn't really count for much in the end and you must start all over with somewhat similar classes to get what you were striving for in the first place..

    But then again, my experienced best friend was telling me today that it is possible to be good friends with a female first AND THEN have it eventually turn into something down the road, and it it's good to have a bunch of female friends who enjoy being around and hanging out with you that you're not having sex with because eventually one of the girls or their friends will want to hook up or news will get around about you to other girls. What confuses me about this is that Dating Gurus (who also have at least the same amount of experience as my best friend) say to NEVER be friends first and YOU MUST always be escalating in order for anything to happen. But then again, I hear so many relationship and marriage stories where the people were friends first and often times never even imagined that the person they ended up falling in love with would ever be the one they fell for. This is almost like a new form of religion to me - if everyone is right and everyone else is always wrong and everyone has their own different versions of what's supposed to be right, then how do I know who I'm supposed to believe before it's all too late? I want to get this figured out before I become a senior citizen... and 30 years has already passed so far and I'm still lost!
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    By the way, I forgot to mention that the girl who wrote "hey" to me is very inexperienced and shy herself, so me negging her or teasing her would've only caused me to screw up with her just as much as saying the wrong thing to another girl would have. After all, me approaching and starting a conversation with her was like a "life changing experience to her... because she never thought doing such a thing was possible and no one else has ever done it to her. -

    --> The reason why I was so concerned about not saying the wrong thing in THIS case was because if I use the excuse that it doesn't matter whether or not I get things right this time because she would except me anyway, that would only encourage me to reinforce bad habits and continue doing things wrong. The last thing I want to do is practice doing things wrong (even on an "experimental girl") then end up not knowing what to do when the one I really want to have success with comes along. This is why I treat ALL conversations and failures with ALL women the same - because in order to be prepared and increase the odds of succeeding when the real woman of my desire comes along, I must know how to exceed with all (or a majority) of them - including the ones I have less desire for. What if instead of her, it was the girl of my dreams saying "hey" and I was sitting there not knowing what to do next?

    In case you're wondering, I did manage to say something back and she replied. But like I said, she wasn't too experienced, and meeting me was like a huge shock to her because she truly believed that people couldn't just approach and start conversations with people until I did it with her. As she and I hung out one day because she wanted me to teach her how to approach and meet people, I could clearly see she seriously didn't know what to do, say, or how to conversate. Therefore, I wasn't surprised that she didn't say much in her response, which was only three words long.

    The bottom line here, though, was that her not saying much wasn't CAUSED by me saying something wrong or stupid..... | Whether I've created attraction or just comfort with her, I cannot tell. But she has indicated that she likes me / is "interested" in me (and tried to express herself to me once..........). She is also extremely passive aggressive and sensitive and will pretty much expect you to be the dominant one to tell or convince her to do something or else she'll think she's bothering you and decline. But you can't be dominant in a way that makes her feel uncomfortable. Luckily, I know how to "establish comfort," lol. :/

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    Default Re: Do Not be Fooled (by "Signals")

    Basically I'd say focus on attraction building for now, because that's really the most major thing. As long as she's attracted the rest can fall into place, but without attraction, nothing will happen romantically.

    Attraction-Building includes:
    -Negs
    -Teasing
    -Attrachion switches (ability to emote, leader of men, sociological proof, preselection, caretaker of loved ones)
    -Willingness to walk away
    -Disqualifiers
    -IOD's
    -False time constraints

    Comfort -Building includes:
    -Finding mutuality
    -IOI's
    -Kino

    Different things listed here have different levels of value, but don't worry about that, you'll notice which things build more than which others. Just focus on getting used to attraction building.

    As for all these different gurus and systems... yeah. They're different, sometimes it's because of different objectives (PUA goes from meeting to sex, I imagine there's some systems that focus more on dating) each different system assumes certain predispositions and prior knowledge, but of course in my opinion Mystery Method is the best framework to start with and is pretty adaptable away from the night game it was designed for.
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