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    Default Re: Pof Opener

    yea my opener was a total failure

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    It's never a failure man, it's a learning experience. Take what you learned and try again with something different!
    Caveat: Just because I feel a certain way about my journey doesn't mean you should feel the same about yours.

    If you can't say that you would rather die than not do it; you don't want it bad enough.

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    Default Re: Pof Opener

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaybee View Post
    Well it works real good, but a lot of the time it leads to reactions instead of results
    Reactions are results? If you get a girl to react to you, you've opened her.
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    I was on POF for a few months. I found generic openers sucked mostly and when you did get replies were usually impossible to transition from.

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    I like it man, thanks for the value! I personally have no intentions to f-close anyone I meet online, simply because I don't want to give my brain that type of reinforcement. I use it strictly to understand charming humor and cocky-funny pick up, because I don't do either of them well, so i just do it to further enhance my conversational skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elitist View Post
    Reactions are results? If you get a girl to react to you, you've opened her.
    Results = Getting her number, getting her to actually meet you, bedding her

    That opener doesn't achieve any of that, doesn't say anything about you that would make her interested. At best it gives you an answer in your inbox that probably leads nowhere. A reaction.

    Also, if you wanna practice your pickup/conversational skills, methinks online is not really the best place.

    Anyways, I'm not here to bash on anyone, if you're getting mileage from that opener, more power to you

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    I'm with you man, I'm not trying to bash or say you're wrong. I'm just attempting to understand and to be understood. If you can give me something that shows that your opener is the deciding factor in keeping her engaged and getting her to sleep with you, then i will agree. An opener is meant to get her to react to you, so that you can lead into keeping her engaged and eventually sleeping with her.

    If you disagree I would love to understand why! So please feel free to let me know how you feel! No sarcasm intended!
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    I'm with Kaybee.

    Under the logic 'If you get a girl to react to you, you've Opened her.' then "Hi, How are you?" is by far my most successful opener and deserves it's own thread.

    Heck, I don't even need to use words to open, I can punch a girl in the mouth and she'll react. I might even get to sleep with her if she's unconscious long enough.

    Jokes, of course.

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    "Hi, how are you?" Is a good opener when you pull her into you. Girls respond to emotions not content, but i guess i just run a different style of game. No biggy!

    I think we are both right, it's just different perspectives.
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    If you can't say that you would rather die than not do it; you don't want it bad enough.

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    Default Re: Pof Opener

    Quote Originally Posted by The Elitist View Post
    "Hi, how are you?" Is a good opener when you pull her into you. Girls respond to emotions not content, but i guess i just run a different style of game. No biggy!

    I think we are both right, it's just different perspectives.
    OK, I know what you mean, but I meant it in jest. I think the main point is there is a different intention to:

    "Hi, How are you?"
    and
    "Hey, I just saw you and had to come over and tell you how stunning I think you look in that dress because..."

    Just as there is a difference between asking:

    "What's your favourite dinosaur?"
    and
    "D'ya wanna fvck?"

    to get someone to respond to a message on a dating site. The intention is important, it sets up the direction and expectation for the rest of the conversation. It defines the landscape. Sure, you can pick someone up with "Hi, How are you?" but you've had to guide them on a journey far greater than if you open with a complement.

    On dating, if you're just measuring on the basis of a reply, insulting people is usually a great way to get one. Believe me, if you're clever about it, you can get (within reason) a near 100% response rate by cleverly insulting people. It won't get you laid though, nor will it allow you to transition reasonably. Women choose to reply based on whether they *want* things to escalate with you, within the plausible possibilities of the message you send. Plausible possibilities? I mean, how she can can perceive the conversation going.

    Consider this (you'd never send these, but demonstrative) example:

    1. "What's your favourite dinosaur?"
    or
    2. "What's your favourite dinosaur? You look very beautiful."
    or
    3. "What's your favourite dinosaur? You look very beautiful. I hear teaching is very stressful."

    A woman on a dating site will make a qualification of your pictures, profile and how she feels about your message which is basically a decision as to whether she wants to talk to you properly.

    If she does qualify you, she may respond to 1, 2 and 3.
    If she doesn't qualify you, she may respond to 1, or 2, but never 3.
    In this case, if she responds to 2, it'll be: "T-Rex. Awww, that's sweet of you thank you" and that'll be the last you hear from her.
    If she responds to 1, it'll be "T-Rex" and that'll be the last you hear from her.

    Because 1 and 2 are closed, she can answer the question (about herself) which amuses her, she enjoys it but she makes no promise of conversing with you. You have put in x effort, which she is willing and capable of reciprocating a satisfactory amount in return.

    It may not be massively obvious with 3 having everything that 1 and 2 have, why she would not respond to 3. But 3 opens her. 3 would cause her to have to talk to you, or involve personal/ego investment in having to reject you. This would cost her more than you have invested (and could ever invest) in your message. So she effectively pretends it didn't happen, and just ignores it, despite the fact she'd probably find great amusement in replying to the initial question.

    This is why, to get a qualified response from a dating site requires an opener which is more than just an amusing question.


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