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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Meet new women(TRY NOT TO ENTER THE friend zone AGAIN) , explore read & implement in order to improve your PU skills.
    If I were you I would try the Mystery K-CLOSE on her so even if she say no its not a big deal and you don`t even risk losing her as a friend although you can try it again after some more dhv etc.
    Personally, I don`t like to tell a woman about my feeling for her not until she does it first, thus I don`t suggest you doing that, you dont want her to think she has you in her back pocket, also don`t seek for her approval by asking her how she feel about you. just go straight to the K-CLOSE like a master PUA would do. high risk high reward, I think you already got that
    Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Do you guys mind that if I have a question that I approach you?
    don't even ask that, just send us a pm

    Do you explicitly suggest I should go out meet new women, or are old acquaintances fine as well?

    both, the old acquantances i tend to use for practice / test stuff with, not in a bad way, but if i fqck up there's little damage that can impact success in the future, stay away if she's an ex, they just bring back bad news no matter the occasion

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    I agree with the above. I have the same problem, I go in all hard and alpha then Ill start over analyzing things and second guess myself about pushing harder and going for the k close. I've been just going for the k close and not caring more recently with great results. If she's not into it act cool, be like ok. Then don't talk to her anymore and find someone else. But I bet she'll contact you cause she will be like...wow this guy is ballsy and not chasing me after I denied him the kiss hmmm...
    Also, new girls!!! There is always another and there is always hotter

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    First, thanks all for the advise!

    @KhaoZ
    Personally, I don`t like to tell a woman about my feeling for her not until she does it first, thus I don`t suggest you doing that, you dont want her to think she has you in her back pocket, also don`t seek for her approval by asking her how she feel about you.
    I was thinking exactly the same. If anyone has other thoughts on this, please do tell, and why.

    just go straight to the K-CLOSE like a master PUA would do. high risk high reward, I think you already got that.
    High risk-High reward, I got that. But I'm not really familiar with the Mystery K-Close. I tried to search it, but I couldn't find it. Could you please show me where to find it or elaborate a bit? Thanks!
    The part that I don't lose her as a friend is essential for me.

    Also a question on the articles giving advise on texting. We're used to having large conversations over texts (well, messaging via internet, but not IM). First we talked a lot via Facebook, but since she got her Smartphone back (hers was broken) we switched to messages.
    So we're used to having continuous conversations easily taking hours, so we continued that via phone, obviously. What do you think about that?
    PS: I don't respond to every text, nor do I always respond immediately/initiate. We do have continuous conversations often though.

    @hyp
    both, the old acquantances i tend to use for practice / test stuff with, not in a bad way, but if i fqck up there's little damage that can impact success in the future, stay away if she's an ex, they just bring back bad news no matter the occasion.
    Thanks, I'll give some old acquaintances a try. I have 2 or 3 in my mind who I can practice on (in a good way of course).
    They're no exes, that would be really awkward.

    &thanks, I'll keep in mind the PM!

    @Flyboy86
    I've been just going for the k close and not caring more recently with great results. If she's not into it act cool, be like ok.
    Same as what I asked KhaoZ, do you have more information on the K-Close?
    Again, talking about the girl I have feelings for, I don't want to lose her. But I'm ok if she's not into it if I give it a shot.

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Mystery K-CLOSE in short:
    You: would you like to kiss me?
    A.her: yes, you kiss her.
    B.her:maybe, you: lets find out. you kiss her.
    C.her: No, you: I didn`t say you could. (smiling viciously).
    What I think about the phone talks is that you are making yourself way too available for her, you need to build sexual Tension ASAP and think more about yourself, try to talk less and do more thats all I am saying.

    Btw, I might sound cocky atm but I had pretty much the same difficulties as you have right now while I was an AFC, I am not a natural like many people tend to think, but I have one advantage many people dont, I am a fast learner and I adapt quickly, what I am trying to say is this, if you implement all the advices people give you here and all the stuff you read you will be in my shoes in no time or even better, cheers.
    Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Ah I see, good one!

    Yes I figured that too, I'm trying where I can to wait to say something back for the last few days. Thinking and talking about this kind of changed my talking behaviour with her already, and been thinking more about myself. Trying (reading and applying) to build sexual Tension too.
    Talk less, do more? Via chat? (do) How?
    (I've only read a few of the threads you suggested me to read, haven't had much time)

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Talk less, do more? Via chat? (do) How?

    don't write paragraphs, keep it a line or 2 max, most of my texts/ msgs are less than 10 words, or about to women i game

    to my friends i'm a bit more airy fairy so i drag on a bit where it's unnecessary

    if she keeps replying she's interested

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    I'm trying to keep it my messages as short as possible. My messages are about 10 words on average I think, but I often tend to send 2 (sometimes more) right after one another. Also trying to be dominant in messaging (responding in random intervals, making her wait slightly longer, or respond immediately: I'm busy doing other stuff, too!) This does have an impact on the frequency and amount of time we talk, though. (less) That's a good thing, right?
    The first thing I read through was the article on texts advice that KhaoZ suggested. So far so good. Hoping to see progression soon! She didn't respond well when I tried to build sexual tension / sexual innuendo, but I managed to repair the damage well, she said "lol I forgive you". So I'll wait a bit before I try to build it again.
    I'm also negging every now and then, she takes it well.

    I used the triangle technique just an hour ago. I've been using future projection, telling her we should go into the snow when it had snowed. So today it snowed, and the girl of interest loves snow, as do I, so I said we totally should go take a walk in the snow snow (but she had to go to work, I knew about that).
    So now I said I'm going to go for a walk in the snow with another friend (girl). She said "Awh, Have fun!". Not sure what to think of it. I just said thanks.

    Anyway, I think I'll digest the reading stuff you guys suggested (and more) and see where it goes!
    If I actively try to get out of the friend zone, when should I start to see results if I do an average job? (I know it would strongly differ per woman, but are we talking about weeks/months?

    Planning on texting an old acquaintance tomorrow and see if I can manage to go for a casual drink with her to 'catch up'.

    And is it fine to meet up with a girl whom I know of she's interested in me, and use her to practice (in a good way of course)?
    She previously showed some IOIs, but since a month we don't talk anymore.

    Just saying, but I enjoy reading all the articles and using the techniques! & Thanks for all the advise and criticism (and not for holding back your thoughts) so far!

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    Quote Originally Posted by Glider001 View Post
    Another question: Since she (probably) sees us as friends, should I wait telling her what I feel untill she develops some other feelings, too? And thus not ask about what she feels about us either.
    And once I feel like I'm ready for the next step, tell her I first saw the two of us as friends, but as time passed by I saw more in her? Or should I be honest and tell her I felt something for her from the 1st date on?
    do not tell her how u feel right now... you and her are on a different playground emotionally.. wait until u develop some Kino... and yes when you do tell her how u feel, do not lie... tell her that u liked her straight up from the beginning.

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    Default Re: Getting mixed signals, it's confusing me

    (I registered just to give you some of my experiences here, as I've read so much nice stuff on this site and I think I know about this.)

    I've been best friends with a HB8, 21 year old girl (I'm 39) and I've been on-off totally in love with her since soon after we met 18 months ago. She has a borderline personality so it's like being friends with a bunch of girls actually, and I have K-closed a few times and BDSM-closed about twice thanks to her changing mood, but no K-close which really really pisses me off (and now she's got a boyfriend), but I'll explain how I handle it:

    You've gotten a lot of great tips about how to handle her, but not so much about how to feel about it yourself. So here are some tips:

    It damn awesome to have a close female friend!
    1) You can talk to her like you can't do with men, other girls or even a girlfriend.
    2) Make sure to friendzone her! Yes, she friendzoned you and that sucked, but you still need to put her firmly there otherwise you'll suffer and feel bad. Talk to her about your girl-problems, ask for advice (don't follow them, because they are probably crappy!) and ask if you can try pick-up ideas on her. I always try the games, like the cube on my friend before making a fool of myself in front of others. The important thing isn't if she likes it, but how it make you feel.
    3) Use her to make other girls feel safe with you. You can sit down with a bunch of girls if you have a girl with you, relax and plan your move later ("Are you two together?", "Oh... Why do you ask? Anyhow about what you do, I once bla bla"). Note: She will probably suck as a pivot (wingwoman), especially as she seems a little shy, maybe even on purpose (she's maybe just more comfortable with you as a single), so don't expect much!
    4) Don't worry about that you spam her with text-messages sometimes! As long as she does the same and you don't totally cling. If you feel clingy, just tell her "Damn I'm clingy now, so good that it's you and not some chick I'm trying to seduce!" (Is that a confusing sort of neg maybe? It says both that she's a great friend and that you don't care about her so much in a way.)
    5) Help her with her boy-problems! That will also teach you a lot. (Again: Another way that you put her in the friendzone so that your relation doesn't get dominated by her.)

    Eventually things might actually happen though. Be away from her awhile and then when you return, things will be different. But I would never do that on purpose with my friend, because I hate being away from her. But she did bang her ex-best-friend after not seeing much of him for some 4-6 months.

    My thought is: You have something better than a girlfriend, but go out and get one/some of those too!


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