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    Default Freeze out questions

    Hey,

    So there is this girl I like. We texted a while she begged me to go out with her 1st hangout /date. It was great. We text/talk on the phone due to my work i could only ask her out the day of which didn't work with her schedules. Next week there was a family emergency so she couldn't really hang out. I've mentioned a bunch of times about hanging out. She texts me, asks me how i'm feeling since I was sick, and is cutsey. She's not the type to want another guy friend and there are tons of ioi's . At first I thought it was because she thought I was a player or how I wasn't interested in dating. But I've made it clear I'd like to ask her out on a date.

    How do I freeze her out? She's invested enough where I know she will eventually text and say why aren't you responding. Do I give her an ultimatum, I don't want to push her away or scold her but I want her to know I'm willing to leave.

    Thanks for any advice

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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    what the hell are you wanting to freeze her out for?

    this girl is on you like white on rice and you can pretty much do anything you want at this point.

    1. What is your end goal? Booty call? Relationship? Threesome girl? Leader of your harem? Define your goal with this girl and mention it next time.

    2. Freezing a girl out is not a goal. It's a tactic. You don't need to do that until you define what it is that you want.

    3. Making it clear that you want to ask a girl on a date is unattractive behavior. Either ask her or don't mention it. "We are going out" or "let's go out this weekend." Not "I'd like to go out." There is a very subtle but very real difference here.
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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    Quote Originally Posted by costarica View Post
    what the hell are you wanting to freeze her out for?

    this girl is on you like white on rice and you can pretty much do anything you want at this point.

    1. What is your end goal? Booty call? Relationship? Threesome girl? Leader of your harem? Define your goal with this girl and mention it next time.

    2. Freezing a girl out is not a goal. It's a tactic. You don't need to do that until you define what it is that you want.

    3. Making it clear that you want to ask a girl on a date is unattractive behavior. Either ask her or don't mention it. "We are going out" or "let's go out this weekend." Not "I'd like to go out." There is a very subtle but very real difference here.


    . No no we first went out as friends / long story but just to meet. She knew I liked her but has confidence issues I think so when I had asked her out I did. She had plans that day . Long story short I had just clarified my intentions. I'd like to date her not just fuck her.

    I have made it very clear to her. I'd like to date and see where it goes as opposed to any booty call idea she may have or others about me. The reason for my mentioning of this tactic is that she won't commit or respond to a date but is still on me to text.

    I do talk to other girls so its not an issue of one-sy but I was wondering if a Freeze Out would be good instead of just moving on.

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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    You don't need to freeze her out. There is already attraction there and you just need to escalate her and turn it into a relationship if you want.

    If she has confidence issues, then Freezing Her Out could just deepen those.

    I'm not a big fan of freeze-outs anyway unless a girl is just being bitchy or I'm just trying to be cocky-funny. Any girl who has confidence issues, I would just focus on building attraction and escalating her to a close (if of course that is what you want).
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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    ok well what do you recommend? She won't hang out but will text.

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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    I guess to clarify should I explain the reason eventually when she does answer back. I know a lot of people say act like nothing happened, but it created a cycle.

    Is it wrong to be like well you didn't give me any indication you wanted to meet again....?

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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    I am not a believer in any "rules" unless you are in a relationship. That being said, you damn sure DO NOT have to explain yourself to anyone. Sissies explain themselves. Don't be a sissy. I know that sounds harsh, but it's the only way to get this point enough strongly.

    When you are dating someone, then you need to give in a bit and sometimes explain why you do things, where you were, etc. But, you are not in a relationship and while you COULD explain yourself and feel good about it (and it probably wouldn't make a huge difference either way), what you are really doing is setting yourself up to just have bad behavior.

    In general, explain nothing until you have the inner-game to recognize when maybe you might actually want to do otherwise.

    No... what I'd do:

    Maintain constantly funny/sexually-overtoned conversations/texts/whatever, but Increase the pressure on her to meet until you get an answer, but do it in a cocky funny way to avoid seeming like you really care. That does not mean, increase the pressure to a certain point and hold it. I mean increase the pressure over and over until it's unbearable.

    Here is an example of increasing pressure (don't do this word for word, but just take what I'm saying as an illustration)

    - Hey. Let's meet.
    - Hey. Let's meet. Respond this time.
    - Hey. Let's meet. Respond this time, gayness.
    - You're shady. Don't be that girl.
    - You're shady, you're being that girl, and as a man with balls bigger than yours, I don't beg.
    - Fine. I didn't wanna see your gay ass anyway.

    None of these seem needy and eventually, the comments you are making should elicit a response and get her talking about at least meeting or doing something.

    Remember: YOU ARE NOT escalating here. I am assuming that you are doing that or have already done that. SHE WILL NOT go out with you unless you've already created some attraction or sexual Tension. Otherwise, you will send the above texts and she will be like "um. okay. no thanks. you have nothing of interest to me."
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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    Hey,

    I hear what you are saying. I don't think its exactly a sissy to be straight forward at times. Maybe it shows a little alpha to be direct and say what you want and expect. I guess I'm asking for a little more clarification to my issue. I've asked for the 2nd date and she was busy out of town, etc,etc. She is back but while she has no problem asking me how i'm feeling or what i'm doing she won't commit when I make references to doing something fun with her.

    If I'm not hanging with her she knows I'm busy, or out with other people ,etc,etc. She knows I'm not just sitting at home waiting for her. My issue is that I don't want to get into an endless loop. Oh she knows I'm the fun guy but doesn't want to actually commit to a 2nd date. Eventually she will ask why haven't you texted me. I'm saying how do I take it a step further. I'm not saying to be all serious, but sometimes you can get caught in that cocky, playful loop

    So what I am saying is how do I get her to know either she commits or I'm gone.

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    Default Re: Freeze out questions

    Should I just tell this girl I'm moving on?


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