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Thread: Flake Reversal

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    Default Flake Reversal

    OK first off credit to T-Mal for the framework of my response to this.

    basically I've been texting this HB9 I met last friday on a night out and things were going well until she flaked... we were set to the zoo for a date on friday but then on monday night I got the flake text:

    H9: "blah blah ... In all seriousness I am working on Friday, rubbish I know".

    I know she's not working Friday (through shameless FB stalking) and there is no invite to rearrange which is not a good sign. I managed to turn this around though.

    Me: "Ah bummer... well we wouldn't want you getting fired for sciving off work now would we ; ). Though if I get caught stealing a penguin you best come bust me out of prison!"

    This works because it shows you are a little disappointed whilst remaining fun and playful

    Her: "haha I will come to rescue don't you worry! I best get a cute little penguin as payment though... I love penguins! We definitely will have to plan our zoo trip are you free saturday or sunday??"

    Another point to note here is all this was done on a whatsapp message which means she can see when I've read the message. I read it then waited 6 hours or so before replying... If ever a girl sends a flaky or shitty text a mini Freeze Out works soo well because they start wondering if you've lost interest and the "why hasn't he texted?" question builds. It works even better when they can see you've read the message and haven't replied.

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    Very nice reframe. I just tried it right now on a girl I'm talking too. Although it wasn't for date, it still worked. I called her 3 days ago and she didn't pick up, and then I texted her today but didn't get a response till now. Here's the short convo so far. It's still going on.

    Me (2:24pm): I just saw a squirrel gathering some nuts, and it reminded me of you.

    Her (8:32pm): Hey sorry I haven't been responding I've gotten sick the pass few days so all I've been doing is sleeping

    Me (9:01pm): Ah bummer... Well we wouldn't want you passing out on the phone now would we .. Strangely enough, the squirrel looked sick too

    Her (9:03pm): Haha so a squirrel reminded u of me. But to top it off it was a sick squirrel Ahaha very attractive

    As you can see, it worked very well. Thanks man!

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    OMG I just fucked up the conversation up above LMFAO!! I was texting another friend about her, but I accidentally sent it to her. I've never done that before so I didn't know exactly how to play it off. Shit guys. I don't like to lie either so I just said what the deal was straight up. Here goes...

    This is right after the last text she sent up above.
    Me: just a side note. It is known that talking to me provides mysterious healing. Don't be suprised if you wake up perfectly fine tomorrow lol

    Her: Haha wow I hope ur right

    Me: I would bust out the big guns, and heal you right now, but nahhh, you're not ready...

    Her: Haha ur crazy

    Me: OMG I feel sick now. My Miami Heat just lost. I didn't know I could catch something through text lol.

    Me: Imma end it now actually when she responds. It was good. No need to drag it out and kill it. (This is the text I meant to send to my friend)

    Me: Oh opps, sent this to the wrong person

    Me: Yeah, the text was about you. I know you're not feeling good, so I was going to end it. Lol that's embarrassing (I didn't know what to say so I decided to go the alpha route and tell the truth. Not caring what happens)

    Then the worse case scenario happens LOL

    Her: You talk about me to your friends.........

    Me: Lol yeah, to my best friend. He called me when I was texting you. I don't mind telling him what I was doing

    Me: I told him I was texting a girl... I was letting him know what I was going to end it so I'm free.

    Me: Man, my phone just died (which it did), but basically it means that you may be earning points

    She hasn't responded yet. Truth be told, I don't care about the outcome. I've been desensitized to rejection for awhile now, but I know I could have played this wayyyy better. I know she is over thinking things probably thinking I tell my friends that I really like this girl, and that Im trying to get with her. Bitch I'm a PUA, you're just another number in my phone LOL.

    How would you guys have played this, and how can I still play it from here. If I don't get a response I'll call her in a couple of days. If she doesn't pick up, then I'll leave an epic voice mail. As for now, I'm not saying shit else until she responds.

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    LOL mate, that shit was fucked up. Well, I wouldn't have said a thing about it. If she questioned "wtf?", it would be something like:
    Me: what?
    Her: were you talking about me with one of your friends?
    Me: yes, I was telling him how I met the love of my life and how crazy the butterflies in my heart go when I'm thinking of you, it's like they are having orgasms.

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    I like this. This is my first time losing my cool in a very long time, and not knowing what to say LOL. Any thoughts on how to play it from here? I thrust her into "last stand," so I'm thinking of trying to reach her by phone in a couple of days. If she picks up, I can play it off easy. If not, I'll literally leave an epic voice mail.

    Now that I've gone through and re-read the whole text, it's really not that serious. As a matter of fact, it's not serious at all. The text I mistakenly sent was actually a good text (in the sense that I acknowledged that we were having a good convo and didn't want to drag it out). Her not responding is actually a negative sign in what I'm looking for. I kinda hope she doesn't contact me or pick up my phone call in a couple of days because I really feel like leaving that epic voice mail.

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    Well, considering that you had a meltdown over a misfire and she seemed upset about it, I don't think the "last stand" mode is going to do you any good. Better to just call it quits now and move on. I would keep lenric's advice in mind though, because you never know when it will happen in the same or similar context again.
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    I guess I should clarify myself. When I say last stand in this situation, I mean I'll try contacting her one more time in a couple of days. If I get no contact back, then she get's "X'd" off the list.

    Also, view last stand as more of a mental thing. It can help bolster your confidence. You can fuck up completely, and the girl doesn't want to talk to you because you fucked up, but you still put her in "last stand." Why? Because you're a freaking boss, and she is trying to please you. You'll do her the favor of trying to contact her one more to help her realize how awesome you are before you move on to the next one. You see where I'm going with this?

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    I like the turnaround, not sure if I agree with the facebook part though..

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    I guess the girl ended up not being as mad as I thought. I freezed her out after not getting a response to my last text. She added me on facebook and sent me a message

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    Default Re: Flake Reversal

    Update to the story after she added me on facebook and sent me a message. This is how the exchange went.

    Sunday

    Her 12:46pm: *sends friend request*
    Her 12:46pm: Hey *my name*. I recently had my phone stolen so I don't have one right now. So if you try to reach me and you can't that's why. (If you read my earlier post, I thought she was mad at me. Apparently not due to the fact that she added me on FB and sent me this message)

    Monday

    Me 1:27pm: Oh man, that's terrible! What's wrong with people!? How are you holding up?? I'm sure it must be kind of difficult... Btw I did text you, so that makes sense (I sent the message over a day later because I wanted to do a little Freeze Out. I didn't like the way our last convo went so I wanted to do a freeze out to make it seem like she wasn't a priority. This works great on facebook private messaging because it tells you when someone read the message. She saw that I read it, but didn't respond for over a day.)

    Her 5:52pm: It sucks big time cause I'm trying to get it back but IDK if I will.

    Me 9:31pm: I'd turn *my city name* on its head to find that phone. Just say the word and I'll be there. Oh btw, between you and I, I have superpowers. My deepest darkest secret. (Instead of coming right out with a joke, I wanted to be sincere. Girls find that kind of stuff cute. Then I joked a little later on in the message.)

    Tuesday

    Her 9:22am: hahaha yes please, haha jk. It has all my personal stuff, pics, text, contacts and all my russian spy work secrets... but yeah people r so mean. Well sir you have no idea who you're talking too. Seriously I'm capable of dong so much.

    Her 7:13pm: Hey I got a new phone, so you can text me whenever cause its the same number

    Me 8:40pm: haha you never struck me as the double life type. We'll have to team up and take on the world sometime soon. I could use a "sidekick." lol! .. I'm glad you were able to get a new phone so soon. I know you've been dying to hear my voice, so I'll give you a call when I get some time this week (I hate texting so I pushed for the call)

    Her 8:41pm: theres alot of things you don't know about me. My life is an adventure. Oh yes I've been dying to talk to you hahahahaha jk. Yeah sounds good though

    *end conversation*

    So why am I posting this? Just to add to my philosophy of never having too many texting/messaging examples. I know how hard it can be to text so the more actual conversations people post, the easier it will be for "new texters" to enter the game. Also, I wanted to conclude the story.

    Key points of the text:
    -Notice how I didn't end any of my texts with questions. This really helps to make it seem like your holding an actual conversation, and keeps things from being stale. When she got a new phone, I could have just said, "what phone did you get?" but that's boring.

    -Little comments like calling her my sidekick help me to promote myself as alpha. She thinks of her self as "independent" so comments like that are really effective psychologically on girls like that.

    -Notice how I put things on my terms in the last text. Instead of telling her I'll call her soon or something like that. I told her I'll call her when I get some time. Statements like these give yourself a lot of value in women's eyes because you're kicking them off that pedestal, and making it seem like they're not a priority. Also, I really don't have that much time, I'm legitimately busy.

    -Lastly, notice how quickly she responded to the last message. She wants the D LOL.


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