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    Default Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    I am about to message a solid 10 with big boobs and is a personal trainer on pof. You get the idea lol. Which opening approach do you think is best? I'm thinking of this one

    Heyy!
    You don't ask for much do you haha

    It's clear you have beauty but what other qualities do you have?
    Whats really great in a girl is a good personality ;p


    Is this qualification too early????
    If so should I just go for something else??

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Hold your horses there cowboy you're on the right track but as a 10, she's heard "beauty is great gimme a personality" about as much as an 8 hears "do I know you from somewhere?" Gotta have something more specific to a situation or to her personality - lets do a little more recon. Tell us more about this chick.
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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Yeah, issue with 10s is that they're being hit on so often (at least on online dating) that they statistically have had each possible opener at least once. So finding something original is a pain

    I usually like to go with straight honesty ("hey, thought you were cute, had to say hi"), but hard to do without body language

    But yeah, as said above, don't say she's pretty/beautiful/gorgeous, dont go above cute. As the saying goes: "pretty girls want to be called smart, smart girls want to be pretty".
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Haha, good point! I see what you mean

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Stop right there my friend. Do not send any generic message.

    Have you ever made a recon profile? One of the women I'm seeing was kind enough to let me log into her POF account to check it out. (I met her on POF) None of the messages you've suggested are unique enough to make yourself stick out. I've seen all kinds of messages sent to this girl. But they all had one thing in common.

    NONE of them mentioned something from her profile. Here some examples:

    - Hey beautiful/gorgeous/cutie. Hit me up XXX-XXX-XXXX
    - Hey wanna go out tonight
    - We would make beautiful babies
    - Hi (literally. just hi)
    - Hey wats up
    - You look fun. Hope you are

    Some of them write paragraphs. But because nothing in it is catered to her she knows it's a copy and paste. That's really the simple secret to a good online first message. Pick something specific that you think she'd want to talk about. Make it humorous. And ask her a question.

    Qualification is really hit or miss. You got to remember...women online are looking for a reason to NOT talk to you. Coming across as cocky and arrogant is a surefire reason for her to next you. I mean, she has 100+ messages to go through.

    I find that being sincere and genuine works very well online. It's not just a theory. My results speak for themselves. I got 4 phone numbers in 2 days with this approach and a solid profile. I don't think that's too shabby.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Yeah I hear you. I actually did set up a fake fitty profile. Got countless messages saying either Hi, Your amazing or I probably havent even got a chance with you but....same old, same old.

    Her profile was all about what she wants and how she wants to be treated, thats why I said she doesnt ask for much.

    But yeah, I agree, it's not really unique at all

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    I think "You don't ask for much..." could work, but you need to throw in what she wrote.

    "....job, car, tall guy, muscles AND brains? You don't ask for much huh"

    Not sure what she listed so I was improvising. And finish it off with a question. Like asking how long she's been at her job. I know it sounds simple and not "clever" enough, but online is a different animal. You have to focus on humor and sincerity. Get specific. If you can be clever then great. But it'll hurt you more if you were clever and not specific than if you were specific and not clever.
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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    Yeah good point, . One more thing, after getting responses from the opening couple of messages, what kind of routine should you use and how long before you should ideally close?
    I've had loads of responses, a small amount gone further and 1 really long convo and Number Close.

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    Default Re: Which approach for a HB10 (qualification too early?)

    The formula I use is this:

    Focus on humor. It's the best tool to lower defenses and your biggest asset online.

    Focus on getting her to a point that she wants to get to know you better. Leave things open ended in your responses to see if she asks about it further. Get her invested in the convo. If she doesn't take the bait, no biggie, make sure to ask overt questions to push the convo forward and try again later.

    Qualify her! It's the easiest way to build compliance. Building compliance is key to game. So when you do finally go for the phone number she's already used to following your lead. And you will likely get that number.

    When you qualify make it a bit funny. She will be more accepting of the frame you set up.

    "Why don't you have a husband yet? Are you a crazy person?" And make sure to use SOI's (Statements of Interest) to solidify your interest in her from her perception.
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