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    Johnny_Toledo is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Great till make out- then blowing it...

    So I've been pretty successful with meeting women, getting numbers, texting, and going on first dates. Over text, I always play the "question game", which seems to keep the girls engaged and entertained until we meet up. During the first date, I focus on building rapport, mirroring body language, Kino, and escalating. With 4 out of 4 of the last girls I have gone on dates with, we were making out (heavy) within hours of meeting. However, after this I always blow it. I think I may be coming off as needy afterwards, but I'm just not sure. Maybe by holding hands and kissing these girls within hours of meeting, their attraction may be high for me, but maybe they dont feel comfortable enough so there is an incongruence??

    I am a decent looking guy, so maybe I am getting them to makeout with me but my game is blowing it? Am I moving things to0 fast by making out on first date? How long after the first date should I be contacting these girls for a second and should I text or call?

    I am getting so distraught by being so close to success but so far at the same time. Please, any input is appreciated....

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    Lunchbox is offline PUA in Training
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    Default Re: Great till make out- then blowing it...

    You should always go for the home run on the first date and try your best to go through the resistance. This whole "wait 'til the third date" mentality is bunk. Attraction spikes highest soon after you first meet. If you don't close on the first or second date, you're warring a losing battle.

    That said, some people have religious reasons and other times you may be physically escalating too quickly. Try and address any last minute concerns with emotional reasoning, not with logic.

    Of course though. Always respect that no means no.

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    Default Re: Great till make out- then blowing it...

    I'm going to agree and disagree with lunchbox, always take it as far as it can go BUT the issues is probably that your making out so much and so heavily that you become boring and easy. Think of it like a cat playing with a ball on a string and your the ball. If you just let the cat have the ball whenever its not a fun toy anymore but give it to the cat than take t away and it will chase the ball for days on end, so I recommend trying that, back of and be a little standoffish after making out and let her come to you than escalate rinse and repeat. And as far as lunch boxes statement goes its not always necessarily true my ex who was head over heels for me wanted to have sex te first night and I told her shed have to wait if she wanted it and it only made it ten times better, so it could work either way, but one thing is for sure TOO much affection and kissing will smother the flame

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    Lunchbox is offline PUA in Training
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    Default Re: Great till make out- then blowing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jts3443 View Post
    I'm going to agree and disagree with lunchbox, always take it as far as it can go BUT the issues is probably that your making out so much and so heavily that you become boring and easy. Think of it like a cat playing with a ball on a string and your the ball. If you just let the cat have the ball whenever its not a fun toy anymore but give it to the cat than take t away and it will chase the ball for days on end, so I recommend trying that, back of and be a little standoffish after making out and let her come to you than escalate rinse and repeat. And as far as lunch boxes statement goes its not always necessarily true my ex who was head over heels for me wanted to have sex te first night and I told her shed have to wait if she wanted it and it only made it ten times better, so it could work either way, but one thing is for sure TOO much affection and kissing will smother the flame
    I wouldn't say you were so much disagreeing with me as you were expanding in greater detail on some of my points. Good job.

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    Johnny_Toledo is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Re: Great till make out- then blowing it...

    Ok. Thats probably exactly what was happening. I escalated quickly, and that was fine and all, but after that I need to back off a little with the physicality until I'm sure they're ready for sex. Thanks for the solid advice.

    What is the etiquitte for 2nd date set-ups? Wait 2 days after the date and call or text? Keep up the question game over text (probably boring after the make out)?

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    Default Re: Great till make out- then blowing it...

    I agree with Lunchbox and Jts3443.
    It's probably not the making out itself, it's more the way you approach it.
    Try inverting the roles and make her work for it, as if it was a difficult accomplishment and you're doing her a favor by making out with her.
    Humans are stupid, we want what we can't have.


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