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Thread: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

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    Default Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    Well I've been doing this without knowing it until a few days ago when I started noticing and practicing it more. Alright here I go: you know that too much texting is boring and the spice is lost after a while or sooner than that. We also know that women go crazy over guys that take control and very mysterious/and make their emotions run wild. So I've been experimenting just to make sure it really works and is not just a fluke. After I've built enough rapport and comfort with a girl after a couple of weeks of pinging here and there(DayGame) to get her to think about me. So well they normally know the whole routine and the conversations get boring and predictable so what I would do is start and argument( yeah I said that). Pretty stupid stuff. Anyway it gets heated and emotional for her ( I'm hitting all the spots that I know will make her emotions run wild from all the previous text convos). Well after we're done arguing I'll ask her questions and other stuff to make her qualify herself to me( at this point she's like wtf just happened, her mind and emotions are in scramble so she has no choice and there's no b1tch shield in the way so they're open to whatever I want.( I've done it 5 times so far and it's worked all times.)

    I know some might not understand this but I'm not good at explaining. Just ask about the parts you need help on.
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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    How find you find and hit the emotional spots?

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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    Awesome man. I've been doing this for awhile and you're right, it does work. Almost too well.

    I notice a lot of guys learning PUA are so worried about looking alpha and cool about everything and that's fine. It's important to keep your cool at times. But when I reach a point with a woman where I know she doesn't want to lose me I'll start a conflict to stir things up. It's about putting her on a emotional roller coaster. That's what gets her hooked. Not being cool about everything and acting like nothing bothers you. Well...sometimes that's good. But choosing your battles is very important and if you handle it well she will be so hooked into you it's not even funny. Nice job learning that. I consider that an advanced technique to learn that's not for beginners because it's almost an art to pull off properly.
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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by marvilo View Post
    Well I've been doing this without knowing it until a few days ago when I started noticing and practicing it more. Alright here I go: you know that too much texting is boring and the spice is lost after a while or sooner than that. We also know that women go crazy over guys that take control and very mysterious/and make their emotions run wild. So I've been experimenting just to make sure it really works and is not just a fluke. After I've built enough rapport and comfort with a girl after a couple of weeks of pinging here and there(DayGame) to get her to think about me. So well they normally know the whole routine and the conversations get boring and predictable so what I would do is start and argument( yeah I said that). Pretty stupid stuff. Anyway it gets heated and emotional for her ( I'm hitting all the spots that I know will make her emotions run wild from all the previous text convos). Well after we're done arguing I'll ask her questions and other stuff to make her qualify herself to me( at this point she's like wtf just happened, her mind and emotions are in scramble so she has no choice and there's no b1tch shield in the way so they're open to whatever I want.( I've done it 5 times so far and it's worked all times.)

    I know some might not understand this but I'm not good at explaining. Just ask about the parts you need help on.
    2 questions:

    What kinds of arguments do you start?

    How do you start them?
    It's not about who I was or who I'm going to become.

    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    No recent response so ill bump it.

    Its true, and its "not a negative thing" unless your cussing at her or dont know how to playfully toy with her or "argue" if you will.

    Ive heard girls state they love getting in fun arguments or going back and forth(probably why they like the shows they do). Some girl mentioned one time she was role playing for a class and she loved arguing with her fake "husband" and all this. To the point she was almost getting off just talking about it, her emotions were heightened just talking about it. Even though she was taken I tested the waters and said some sly stuff accusing her and she liked it or "explained herself" and Id delve a bit deeper. Below is just an example I made up for sake of explanation.

    EX: H: I hot a 95% on my paper I wrote.
    Me:How many $10's were stapled to the paper for that?
    Her:"giggles" None I just wrote a really good paper
    M: Ok then how many winks/smiles did you give to the instructor?

    Then with the particular girl shed toy with me and tease me back and accuse me of stuff but it never got past a certain point cause said girl was taken but since she stated she liked such Tension in a playful manner I decided to see what I could do, especially with one that was taken....pretty good friend and she did provide kudos often giving me "that status" as some good looking girl talking to me and or playfully flirting and me handling it properly around other potential girls....looks good on the resume....but it does work wonders on "single" status women on another whole level.

    But overall doing this stuff works well with girls. That is if you know how to work it and dont be too much of a d1ck/rude. As well dont be surprised if some girls do get offended, I mean some may not like you talking to them this way, and may take offense because "your at a angle" shes not use to, or will assume your coming onto her, at first, or if your too heavy on the action especially in the wrong manner. You'll need to know and test the waters with your target girl to see how to approach talking in such a manner

    As well sometimes theyll play along with whatever your arguing about or accusing them of, knowing that you are in fact toying with them theyll toy back so be ready to be witty. Its like firing the first shot in a war sometimes, DO NOT think that the other side/her will not return fire in the same manner you did at her. Its been like the movie Mr/Mrs Smith for me, couple of people attracted to each other but then having gun fight type arguments. Start something up on them then its flipped back around on me and now im the bad guy, answer back and put the target back on her in a Im right your the one whos wrong, demonstrating that in whatever the argument is....another made up ex:
    Me: Well it was working until you touched it...
    Her: ME? I didnt do anything, you should be able to fix it since your such a man/professional
    Me:Well once you put your mitts on it I dont think God himself could fix this one.
    Her: "Dumbfounded" (by now she might be submissive and shut down or still coming back at you) Well all I did was this and this then this happened..(then you bring it down a bit and be like Oh we'll lets see what we can do)..., or if she comes back at you My mitts?!? It should be simple enough for someone of your intelligence to fix.

    The above sounds possibly harsh but you have to say it in the right tone so that your not sounding abusive or yelling. And as BatMan said this may be a bit advanced for some cause I could see how "starting" stuff for some you could end up surrounded or encircled in your own argument, but as long as your not 100% submitting you'll be good enough.

    OP is right then from there usually "normal" conversations will be alot more comforting and since they know the level of where you can bounce around at they may say some loaded stuff back at you since you "initiated" such an attitude to talk amongst each other at....then its as my signature says "Weapons Free - clear to engage"

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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    I think he means a serious argument. With emotions running up and down.

    I've had experience with this and, if done right, it's downright powerful. But it's very easy to overdo it and make her feel like shit about herself and also is very easy to lose yourself in the argument and lose alot of points if gone too far. Such as name calling. This stuff is just not for the beginners. It's too delicate a technique that I myself am still mastering.

    It's based on the simple concept that people are natural problem solvers. We're attracted to conflict. That's part of the reason some women stay in abusive relationships. Not because he keeps his cool about everything. But because he's a loose cannon. And she wants to "fix" him and solve the problem. To solve the conflict. Of course this is overdone and not advised to do this. But there's still something to learn there.
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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    I've learned from my past and now know that too much of that technique is not good( lost many girls to that). But now I only do it when it's really needed and I've built enough comfort with the girl or I've carefully studied her and know how she responds to certain things. And no I'm not saying go be a total jerk to a girl all the time but once in a whole it makes them rethink what the thought about you.
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    Default Re: Neg/push-pull/ controversy

    Yeah well my texting game is definitely getting better. On my sixth strait girl of being able to get her to respond in a short amount of time. Texting game used to be so frustrating when I was starting out. I would Freeze Out when I didn't need to and ping when it was inappropriate. Almost like I was an ape looking for a mate. Felt like such a nightmare like I understood nothing about women with texting. Now I don't have to goof around to "impress" them I do it when they are intentionally ignoring me so I position it like that and it elicites a response and makes me feel more congruent/less needy. Right now me and my woman are purely plutonic and no need to flirt or change that (she has never ignored me, I ping when they ignore me or blow me off). That's the tone I set with her and would like it if she dumped me but I am just letting her keep coming back to me.

    On a side note my new texting strategy is just to follow my feelings and trust my gut instead of worrying about impressing them or losing them. I will argue if I think it means salvaging the situation. However I think picking fights would only work for me if the girl is distant and I need to ping.


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