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    Default Could it really be true?

    I hear this a lot.
    a girl will tell me she's a nice girl, innocent girl, i've even had a few "virgins", etc. and that they dont normally do this kind of stuff blah blah.
    Now first I thought it was all bullshit. They were just saying the normal routine things to sound innocent and "womanly". And maybe saying they were innocent or a virgin would make them seem pure.

    But I keep coming across the same types of girls that are smart, nice, innocent, and for what ever reason I bring it out of them, and they experience a lot of "firsts" with me.

    So is it bullshit, or do I just attract this type of innocent girl who feels like she can actually be herself with me?

    Thanks for any insight you have!

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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    It's hard to say without any stories of some of your experiences with these girls. I can say that it is possible. If you really separate yourself from some of the typical guys, and you go through the phases of attraction correctly, than she will be comfortable enough in trying out new things with you.

    Others, as you have said, are just plain bs. They say it to try to make themselves look like less of sluts and more like ladies. With these kinds of girls, you should treat them as they want to be treated. Like David X says, treat the sluts like ladies, and the ladies like sluts.

    Unfortunately, I can't really give thorough advice on this matter without some extra detail. Could you please post some of your stories and interactions with these women? Don't be afraid to exclude detail
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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    Hey swag man, thanks for the reply. sure i'll elaborate on three girls off the top of my head:

    girl 1.) met at work. tall, beautiful, model like. noticed her checking me out more than once. we kind of hit it off right away. flirty type sh1t, and if i would ask if she wanted to do something it was always an immediate yes. so were driving one day and she tells me shes a virgin, and that she likes to please more than be pleased.
    however
    -for as hot and mature as she seems (for being 19) its hard to imagine shes a virgin, and doesn't really have taht much experience. her friends said it too. this girl is a christian, inexperienced, virgin. but she had no concerns coming to my placce, laying on my bed, fooling around etc. (we still ahven't had sex) however, its really tight when i finger her, and the head isn't amazing as if shes done it a bunc of times. after a few months, she got really upset that i wouldn't commit to being in a relationship.

    girl 2.) really shy/quiet type
    when i first met her i didnt think she liked me bcuz she would barely speak to me. then i asked her friends and they said she gets awkward around guys she likes. so i was a little persistent and bam! we hit it off after that. she opened up a lot, lots of flirting, joking around playfulness and i could definitely see a sexy side to her. any time we meet up (always with friends) she's always awkward and quiet around me at first but i just hammer away the outer layer of frost and break the ice (sorry for the lame idiom ) she makes it a point to say shes a nice girl, but a couple of the looks she has given me look like that of a girl who craves the d1ck. all of her friends say that she is really, really inexperienced, and although i hate this word, prude. but man, i see this sexy side of her that either a. other people dont see or b. she tries to hide but i see through the bullsh1t. she saw me flirting with another girl one time and it looked like it really upset her, and she has said to me, "don't hurt me" which makes me think maybe she really is the virgin prude, but at the end of the day she is a woman, with sexual needs. and maybe she felt like i had the potential of being the guy she trusts with those needs? finally we hung out alone, i went for the kiss, she turned cheek with a big smile. i didn't really take it as a "no" more of a "not yet" ran into her the next day and she seeemed really excited to see me.

    3.) met her at a bookstore. when i first saw her, i didn't think much of her. i needed hlep looking for a book and she helped. we started talking and she was just such a cool person, and idk, it made her extremely attractive. she wasn't wearing make up when i met her, then we went out and she had make up and holy damn this girl is farking hot. went to get some icecream and literally just say there talking for a couple of hours. asked her if she wanted to go watch some breaking bad at my house she said yes. we get back, we start making out, and then she stops me and says that shes not "that type of girl'" and she's never kissed a guy after knowing him for a couple of days. but then she goes on to give me head, and it's only her "second time doing it" it was okay, but not great so maybe believable.

    my question again is, am i just getting these girls that are slutty but want to keep their good girl image. or am i getting good girls to open up and explore their sexual side. i really feel like if they were these slutty girls, i would have slept with all three of them by now. so maybe they are the sweet innocent type? idk. your thoughts?

    (these are some of the more innocent ones) there was one virgin i hooked up with but she gave me head after us knowing each other for like two hours. some sorrorrity slut, who thinks not having sex means she's not a slut. so basically she doesn't fark, but she gives EVERYONE head, but she can still call herself a virgin so its okay. girls like this i understand it's all bullsh1t, but the three above are the ones thinking maybe they're telling the truth. thanks!

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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    My good sir, it sounds like you have something that I have only seen in a rare few people. By the sounds of it, you have a degree of charm and high status about yourself that it just attracts girls who are willing to do anything with you. Of course I see one big thing that you may be overseeing, and that is that you are just playing the game. You aren't thinking about why something works, or how it works. You just simply play it.

    My brother is one of these guys, and he used to make fun of me for this pua stuff. He would tell me that I could never learn how to pick up a girl from books, and that I would never be able to become the man that I wanted to be. Little did he know, I found his weak points and I peeled them open hard right in front of his girl one night. Took her from under his nose and pissed him the hell off for a month after that. I wasn't trying to smash at all, but the very thought that I proved my brother wrong and beat him for the first time in my life in the game brought me enough satisfaction.

    His major weak point is that he holds back. He may have the charm, the talent, and so on, but he will never carry through with a girl. He is often quick to drop the ball, and the only reason girls chase after him is because he plays hard to get all the time. Once the girl gets to him, they discover that there isn't very much of anything. So when I showed that I am a highly interesting man that is true to his word, his girl quickly forgot about him and started to think about only me.

    If you really want to become good at the game, you gotta understand it instead of just playing it. Start reading some books on it, and really begin to try and answer the questions of why the things you do work so damn well. Once you understand what you are doing, then you can alter to change the kind of women you are getting or how far you are getting with them.
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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    Haha, thank you swagman. I think? lol.

    but first. you didn't really answer my question, do you think they are the innocent types?

    to some it may not matter if a girl is being honest or not. i was in
    a LTR, and it turned out to be a lot of cheating and lies on her part
    so honesty definitely matters. i do play the field, but i would settle down in a heartbeat with the right girl.

    as far as answering why things work well: I have been told I am charming, and if I can humbly admit, I am good looking. I definitely do play a little hard to get, i dont react to women's words or actions and I And I DO NOT chase. i'll be nice, funny, charming, and throw in something sexual, but I get the girl to do as much work as possible.It's funny because I can spot a dude and see what he's doing wrong whether its chasing, acting desperate, needy, or reacting to what a woman does or says, i can spot it and say, "Yup! that used to be me" I can be a little shy at first, so it may seem mysterious or something. I definitely am true to my word though. and i dont play little kid games. I act like a man, and I treat them like a lady(depending on the girl of course, i have no one size fits all approach to game)

    I actually started learning game a few years ago. inner game mostly, learned not to be needy, not to chase, not to freak out when girls try to fark with me. "keeping it cool"
    my ex girl that did the lying and cheating completely farked with my head and how i viewed girls and dating so i had to relearn everything.
    but i've always had, and seem to always approach things naturally. My little bro calls me hank moody, lol.

    So i hope i responded to your post adequately?
    I'm tryingg not to make this a complaint brag post or anything.
    I just want to understand if I do keep running into this type of girl. any additional feedback is greatly appreciated,or other suggestions from you or anyone else to get me to think critically about my approach and what does and doesnt work

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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    His major weak point is that he holds back. He may have the charm, the talent, and so on, but he will never carry through with a girl. He is often quick to drop the ball,
    can you expand on this? the holding back etc.

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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    Sure thing. He always goes after these girls, but then he always changes his mind and pulls back. He's extremely indecisive. In real life, he's also lazy and undedicated to anything. It's sad to watch, but that's how it is. He's still a good guy, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of flaws to his game that become all too apparent when exposed with some simple PUA tricks.

    I do honestly think they are the innocent types. It's not odd for somebody with a high level of charm to be able to make somebody do something that they wouldn't normally do. I've seen it before. I'm saying that if you want to change the kind of girls you are attracting, you have to understand the game.

    You may think you have studied the game decently, but inner game is only a glimpse of the game. Inner game is about becoming confident. There's all sorts of psychologies, processes, beliefs and so on that when learned can push your game far beyond just being confident.
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    Default Re: Could it really be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    Sure thing. He always goes after these girls, but then he always changes his mind and pulls back. He's extremely indecisive. In real life, he's also lazy and undedicated to anything.
    Oh, that's definitely not me. I'm extremely focused and ambitious. sometimes too ambitious. lol.

    Idk how to quote the rest of your post but I'll go in order of your points.

    Even girl #2? I'd settle down with #2 for sure. She was just very hot and cold, I joked to a friend one time it almost felt like she was gaming me as I felt like she was push/pulling me. And when she was pushing she was very good at acting indifferent/aloof

    What do you mean by change the girls I attract? I dont necessarily mind the girls I attract. Honestly, the dumb/trashy girls are a turn off now a days. But I would love to further understand the science behind what/how I'm attracting these girls. I used to do the hard core negs/breaking rapport. I don't do it as much anymore, but when I do and it works, sometimes I think in my head, how the fark is this working right now haha.

    Can you expand on the different game?
    As i said, i used to do the break rapport, the dhvs, all the little tricks and gadgets. But when I got away from all that, my game sky rocketed. For the most part, I just run comfort, give an occasional compliment, tease, and sprinkle in some thing sexual, or challenging from time to time. (In other words, I run comfort with the occasional attraction spike) And then there are other times I run purely comfort and seduce the girl with out ever doing anything.

    Do you have any suggested reading for something else you may be referring to?


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