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    Default phone call:sexual escalation?

    so recently if been texting a girl from my high school (i already graduated) and we just started talking on the phone. i tried flirting with her over the phone but she won't invest longer than a minute or just says "Funny" .she tries to change the subject quickly.i got her to admit watching porn,and told me that her mom had size D breast so i know its possible to work something out.she is a virgin and if she ever had sex she wants it to "mean something". my goal is to F-close this girl. im not so good in flirting on the phone.i don't want to end up in the friend zone cause she doesn't have many friends.shes an HB7 who thinks shes ugly. how can build more sexual Tension and escalate with this girl? and pointers or tips would help to better my phone game.

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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    I have a girl that I used to sarge that's exactly like her. Get her to hangout and go to some casual place where you and your brosnwould go to make her comfortable around you. then on your second hangout actually start performing Kino Escalation on her. MAKE sure you do it slowly. Pm me about how the first hangout went and I'll give you more tips. That's as far as I can go right now.
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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    First off the phone is not a place to go all AFC up in there. Per the outline by Neil Strauss you call a girl build attraction for 5-10 minutes then ask her out. The Rules of the Game Neil Strauss is you call her first then start texting. Calling a girl first has worked better but so has texting. Treat women as objects you hang out with constantly "not just friends."

    They will make you pay if you don't say you want to hang out, you are texting to set something up for the future. You never call her a girl to be her friend dude. Girls hate that they go to war with me everytime I try to be their "friend" and oftentimes friendzone me for trying to call them up buddy buddy with no purpose other than to get validation. Just go for the meet up at all times and only put it off to build attraction when needed but put the seeds in her mind. Women hate validation seeking. Validation seek through the meet up as that will up her interest ten fold. If you don't have money to go out then wait to meet girls till you do. I got destroyed too many times trying to have phone conversations with women when I was not trying to hang out with them and never even mentioned it. They made me pay big time! Just don't do it unless you are going to ask her out or lead her on about asking her out period. As a side note once you start dating then yes then and only then when you are in comfort can you call her up and just joke around.
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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    Please. Don't treat women as objects. they are human beings. We guys started this PUA thing to get better at dealing with situations involving females. We can't start treating them as objects or all this shit will go to waste.
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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigT View Post
    Please. Don't treat women as objects. they are human beings. We guys started this PUA thing to get better at dealing with situations involving females. We can't start treating them as objects or all this shit will go to waste.

    Objects opposed to friends. If you treat them as friends prior to building comfort you are becoming a Nice Guy and women will put you on the chopping block. Not using as a negative term let's be more mature, using it as a descriptive term since people act in patterns and to play this game you need to act in sequence. Women are bombarded with a barrage of bore by Nice Guys everyday and you got to have a bit of Moxie and Heartless behavior or rejection will occur. To get by are you suggesting we play it safe padawan learner? Enlighten me.

    That's funny because the padawan learner is trying to teach me something. You are still in High School bud have some respect for the Elders who know the game better than you. Schmucks will continue to get this wrong bud by getting oneitis and not spinning plates. They will continually beat their head on a brick wall by being "nice" and being friends with women which is often a bad way to go. You want to be a good catch not some easy douchey dude. Women are very hostile to "friendly" guys mate. I asked a HB10 one time what she was up to and she said I was asking too many questions very rudely and embarassed me in front of other people. A Nice Guy this would destroy him. Once you get into the Comfort stage after Attraction you can treat them as friends but before you have to be a bit of an A-hole Prick to not be affected by rejection, iceshields, etc. I thought you knew this already? Stop teaching him to be a Nice Guy that's the worst possible advice. Be an A-hole Prick towards rejection, iceshields, flaking (unaffected by outcome/indifferent) till you get the validation and then move into comfort as a nice guy.
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    Plus the very game itself objectifies women. Every time you target a woman (calling her a Target for instance which we all do) based on looks you are objectifying them, every time you rate them 6-10 you are objectifying them. Need I say more? Woman are objects of beauty so don't make assumptions about me before you have all the facts padawan learner, ha! You must learn to objectify them to become indifferent to therefore be less needy thus bringing you success with women. But if you want to sit here and place women on a pedestal then by all means but move onto natural game as PUA's are not what you think. You don't belong in the Game if you can't respect the facts bro and think you are above the process. You are not aware that if you continually put them on a pedestal you will never succeed? If you keep thinking like this you are bound to fail as all women you deal with you will be their male girlfirled and they respond best when you go against the grain of Cocky/Funny or A-Hole Nice Guy. If that offends you why not trainwreck all the F-close threads since you don't think women are objects? This game is about objectifying and if you don't like it go somewhere else as your Nice Guy mentality clearly is better suited to Natural Game enthusiasts only.
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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    Look my point is very simple. I get everything that you said but know this. All of us in here probably got into the PUA game to get more females. And I bet if people stayed in here long enough they will get better. But the fact that were getting better at dealing with social situations doesn't mean that we can even call them objects. Objects have no heart, no feeling, no human attributes. Calling them objects will ruin this community that we have built. Females are different from men. Their brain is different. Which makes their actions different. Which makes them a separate category as us, but not a lower one. Also, I never said anything about being their friend. That will automatically put you in the friendzone. But not treating women as objects and not being their friend is pretty easy to do. There is this HB 8 that I was sarging. When we met I was with a group of friends. I never treated her as something lower than me. And I never had the intention of being her friend, but guess what, she started chasing me around. Now I have to go to work so I won't keep on typing, but even through I'm a teen that's still in highschool. From what I have seen. I'm just as knowledgeful as you in this pua thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigT View Post
    Look my point is very simple. I get everything that you said but know this. All of us in here probably got into the PUA game to get more females. And I bet if people stayed in here long enough they will get better. But the fact that were getting better at dealing with social situations doesn't mean that we can even call them objects. Objects have no heart, no feeling, no human attributes. Calling them objects will ruin this community that we have built. Females are different from men. Their brain is different. Which makes their actions different. Which makes them a separate category as us, but not a lower one. Also, I never said anything about being their friend. That will automatically put you in the friendzone. But not treating women as objects and not being their friend is pretty easy to do. There is this HB 8 that I was sarging. When we met I was with a group of friends. I never treated her as something lower than me. And I never had the intention of being her friend, but guess what, she started chasing me around. Now I have to go to work so I won't keep on typing, but even through I'm a teen that's still in highschool. From what I have seen. I'm just as knowledgeful as you in this pua thing
    I have approached women in Clubs, Bars, Holiday Events, to such a high degree of sometimes 10 approaches a night you could never dream of. I know things about women you would never understand. For instance I know the concept of aquiring a target and opening a set something you cannot manage. You have talked to 1 girl since you've been here!! You are always talking about her dude and here again expressing your lack of understanding because sarging is what I do hitting tons women at a Holiday Event then approaching tons more at Night. I would have approached more if there would have been more because I target high quality women only. Something you can never fathom or have tenacity to do. Watch next year I'm going to get so many approaches in my belt, more numbers than you could dream and you will keep coming on here telling us about your fantasy girl who you still have slept or admitted that she is your girlfriend so who is playing who dude?

    You will conceive of the level of Game I have achieved and you will be always stuck in a loop hung up on "one girl" as you are now. Until she dismisses you until you go to the one be needy and get hung up on. You don't know meaning of outcome independent and you always be an AFC if you never change. You disappoint me yet again. Watch my Game will eat yours alive. I don't have money to go or I would have a GF. That's the difference I know how. And next I'll be dating 9's and 10's and eventually have a GF and have game on point on point and my field reports are going things you never seen 20 approaches in a Day, Numbers up the yin yang, stories galore and just living it. So mark my words next year you still be talking about the same girl!
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    Default Re: phone call:sexual escalation?

    BigT has it spot on. In the past, I have highly spoken out against the use of the number system. It dehumanizes women and distorts reality for you. For example, when you rate a woman a HB9 or 10, it puts far more out on the line for you. You have what you consider to be the absolute cream of the crop, and now you have a lot riding on you just to make this successful. It's better to just pick some physical traits that you like, and when you see at least one of them on a woman, then go after her.

    I like to call the above the 2-Point System. You either like her, or you don't like her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    BigT has it spot on. In the past, I have highly spoken out against the use of the number system. It dehumanizes women and distorts reality for you. For example, when you rate a woman a HB9 or 10, it puts far more out on the line for you. You have what you consider to be the absolute cream of the crop, and now you have a lot riding on you just to make this successful. It's better to just pick some physical traits that you like, and when you see at least one of them on a woman, then go after her.

    I like to call the above the 2-Point System. You either like her, or you don't like her.
    No one has to love or agree with me I agree with myself and love myself as gaming women has taught me it is really no big deal. It's just no big deal. I see where I am going next year with approaching and it is getting heavy so heavy. Like I have stories all my co-workers revere me as some "stud" so as Mystery has taught me I don't care. I could have zero supporters but that can't change the facts in Set with 9's and 10's I am hitting it hard like a warrior traveling the earth in search of a lost jewel or a fanciful dream. To further point out my reputation exceeds me. I have been called by gorgeous women I approached with a hopeless romantic opener one of my classics "A hero in the night." Another girl in Bar I said hi doing my 3rd approach in the Game "A killer cat". I have had a girl wait by the door for me, done a bar pull, had ask me what I was doing that night, and say literally "THIS IS FUN." When I grabbed her hand. I had a married chick who was a 9 try to make out with me on the dance floor and look into my eyes like I was super fly. So something happens something magical when I get in Set and break out just the sickest openers they just eat it up. And next years my openers I will not hold back. Crazy things have happened from my openers and they will continue to happen because I am a legend among gorgeous women and one day they tell their kids about this one guy who stole the night who brought the fire in her eyes alive. So no I am not diminished as women have already started to hear stories about me. I am not diminished I am a free spirit unchained by the binds of social conditioning and my wild stallion approach will continue to succeed because it works. Next year, next year watch something beautiful is about to happen and you will witness it!
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