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    Default Need help with tricky one

    Hosted a party yesterday and met this gourgeus brunette thru a friend of mine and we instantly connected, the thing is that our mutual friend tried to pick her up yesterday with no luck...

    we chatted a bit on facebook and she wants to meet again tomorrow, so far so good texts as follows

    Me: Ill make a reservation for 19:00 and you can tell mommy ill take good care of you as long as youre a nice girl or you get a spanking haha

    Her: But tobias leaves town tomorrow... And you poor fellow how did go at work today?

    Me: are you afraid to see me alone? you can bring mommy if that makes you feel better haha, yeah was a bit tired at work....


    Her: Ofcourse im not afraid to see you! Its not about that. just feels a bit akward to hang with Tobias friens without him....


    Correct me if im wrong but i think shes afraid he will get sad or that ill will tell him what goes down.

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    Default Re: Need help with tricky one

    My un-expert opinion:

    Me: Ill make a reservation for 19:00 and you can tell mommy ill take good care of you as long as youre a nice girl or you get a spanking haha
    Not bad. You set the tone, were playful but not overly sexual. You also didnt ask, you assumed she would accept

    Her: But tobias leaves town tomorrow... And you poor fellow how did go at work today?
    We are missing context. Why are you a poor fellow? and why does it matter if Tobias is leaving...unless she wants to see him instead and you are a vessel to do that. This may be tricky

    Me: are you afraid to see me alone? you can bring mommy if that makes you feel better haha, yeah was a bit tired at work....
    Probably shouldnt have asked her if she was afraid. Women tend to assume the frame you set and this one is a little needy and not confident. Without the context I asked for above it is difficult to come up with a good response here.

    Her: Ofcourse im not afraid to see you! Its not about that. just feels a bit akward to hang with Tobias friens without him....
    If she has the connection you thought you did she wouldnt have any issues seeing you without Tobias. You need to build more comfort and likely attraction with her.

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    Default Re: Need help with tricky one

    Thanks man, its always nice with some input!
    Ill do my best to break it up for you.

    Her: But tobias leaves town tomorrow... And you poor fellow how did go at work today?

    We are missing context. Why are you a poor fellow? and why does it matter if Tobias is leaving...unless she wants to see him instead and you are a vessel to do that. This may be tricky

    The poor fellow part she is referring to that i only had a few hours to sleep before i had to get get up and work, im not sure she is in to him since he was the one invited her to the party and she kind of instantly isolated me and i had the feeling she was trying to pick me up, but you never know since some of them tend to be very open minded, chatty and can easily be misscalculated for being flirty when they have that kind of personality.


    Me: are you afraid to see me alone? you can bring mommy if that makes you feel better haha, yeah was a bit tired at work....
    Probably shouldnt have asked her if she was afraid. Women tend to assume the frame you set and this one is a little needy and not confident. Without the context I asked for above it is difficult to come up with a good response here.

    You are probably right there man, i should not asked her that...

    Anyway this is what follows and i think i might have turned it slightly to my favor since she tries to raise her own value in the last message, now im letting it cool of and waitng for her.

    I also put in some missing early parts so that you can see the full conversation, cheers!


    Thursday night

    Me: Yo bitch! where the fuck did you go?

    G: Hahaha! Tobias said it was time for me to go home

    Me: Yeah good small children should be in bed by now...

    G: Just admit that you miss me already
    Me: Haha, admit the you miss me...

    The next day

    Yes actually i miss you, big thanks for yesterday!! i cant believe you let a 08 (Stockholm) girl like me in at your place

    Me: Yeah, one might what wonder what how i thinking there, i dont think i dare to let you in again, you maybe bites haha

    G: Ofcourse we should see each other mora, im such a nice girl Hug

    Me: Local beach restaurant tonight? If mommy lets you out will say haha

    G: Tonight? Isnt there a band playing tomorrow?

    G: I doubt mom will let me out with you rampaging the town

    Me: Ill make reservation for 19:00 tomorrow and you can tell mommy ill take good care of you as long as long as you behave or ill might have to give you a spanking haha


    G: But tobias leaves town tomorrow... And you poor fellow how did it go at work today?

    Me: are you afraid to see me alone? you can bring mommy if that makes you feel better haha, yeah was a bit tired at work....

    G: Ofcourse im not afraid to see you! Its not about that. Just feels a bit awkward to hang with Tobias friend without him...

    Me: You should definitely do what feels right for you, but you should also now that i wont speak a word to Tobias if we should go out, so you dont have to worry about that

    G: I always play with an open hand, always did and always will. If we should see eachother i would tell him, it would be real nice to see eachother again, i like you guys alot! Awesome guys all of you! But i dont think tomorrows plans are such a good idea

    G: But thanks for thinking of me, it make my little heart warm!!

    Me: Just lay it out instead, you been out all night bothced and now mommy grounded you haha!
    But anyhow you 08 (Stockholm) girls maybe aint that good anyhow, so you are probably right that tomorrow plans arent such a good idea... Game over for me now, got work tomorrow... good night little spoiled brat

    Friday afternoon

    G: Why do you ask so much about my mom? We have a wonderful relationship and she would never hold me back from doing something fun with friends

    What do you mean with maybe not such good girls? Thanks! Its not about where youre born or raised, but about how you are as a person

    I have no idea what you think or feel about me, but i think youre an amazing guy and im forever grateful that i got to hang with you guys wednesday night Hug Hug


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    Default Re: Need help with tricky one

    Me: Yo bitch! where the fuck did you go?
    Fucking love it. Owed it like a man,. Good job!

    G: Hahaha! Tobias said it was time for me to go home
    Why is this important? Why does Tobias have this power over her?

    Me: Yeah good small children should be in bed by now...
    Not sure what you were trying to say here. I would have went with something like "Right now it is you and I and we can stay up as late as we want. (then end with something playful...like) Right now we are watching a late night movie but you sooo picked an action movie. Its a shame I am into chick flicks "
    It changes the frame and gives her an opportunity to qualify herself to you.

    G: Just admit that you miss me already
    Me: Haha, admit the you miss me...
    Nice! Probably should have expanded a little more with teasing but not a bad reply

    The next day

    Yes actually i miss you, big thanks for yesterday!! i cant believe you let a 08 (Stockholm) girl like me in at your place
    This is almost a qualifier...a really good response to get

    Me: Yeah, one might what wonder what how i thinking there, i dont think i dare to let you in again, you maybe bites haha
    Love the sexual overtones...good God your grammar needs work. Please fix this!

    G: Ofcourse we should see each other mora, im such a nice girl Hug
    You should have teased her here about being a nice girl...she isnt and she knows it. This is where you lost the entire interaction....you should have teased a little more and built on this sexual platform she made for you....she wanted you to go further but you went for the date instead. I *think* she lost a little but if attraction for you here.

    Me: Local beach restaurant tonight? If mommy lets you out will say haha
    Dont ask, tell her you are going and invite her. Sell it as being something awesome. You need to inspire her mind to where she cant refuse. Something like "You, me 1900, tomorrow at *bar name*. There is a badass band playing that will change the way you feel about *type of music*. Plus I know the bartenders so we will get the best *type of drink* you will ever have!"

    G: Tonight? Isnt there a band playing tomorrow?
    Total flake response

    G: I doubt mom will let me out with you rampaging the town
    Why is she bringing her mom into this...are you guys really young?

    Me: Ill make reservation for 19:00 tomorrow and you can tell mommy ill take good care of you as long as long as you behave or ill might have to give you a spanking haha
    Probably should have left mom out of it. Just inform her of the great time she will have if she shows up because you always have a good time but I do like that you instilled a little sexual element into it...but you should have done that a few texts ago. Now it seems to have wierded her out

    G: But tobias leaves town tomorrow... And you poor fellow how did it go at work today?

    Me: are you afraid to see me alone? you can bring mommy if that makes you feel better haha, yeah was a bit tired at work....
    No more mommy comments...it seems weird to me (others may disagree) and why would you ask her if she is afraid to see you alone? You said you had a connection...assume attraction and rapport and go for it!

    G: Ofcourse im not afraid to see you! Its not about that. Just feels a bit awkward to hang with Tobias friend without him...
    Still dont understand why this is a thing...

    Me: You should definitely do what feels right for you, but you should also now that i wont speak a word to Tobias if we should go out, so you dont have to worry about that
    beta male text. It sounds like she is dating or interested in Tobias (or you are assuming that). Ignore him completely. This night is about you and her and the awesome time you can show her...who gives a fuck about Tobias?

    G: I always play with an open hand, always did and always will. If we should see eachother i would tell him, it would be real nice to see eachother again, i like you guys alot! Awesome guys all of you! But i dont think tomorrows plans are such a good idea
    "If we should see each other again"...totally lacking interest. By this point she should be dying to see you. On a side note: sounds like she is a cheater IMHO. Are you looking for a relationship? If so, this *may* be a red flag. When she says she doesnt think tomorrows plans are a good idea it is because you didnt sell her on it. A woman wants to know all she has to do it show up, look sexy and have a good time., its YOUR job to make it happen and sell her on it.

    G: But thanks for thinking of me, it make my little heart warm!!
    Oh jeezus...friend zone text.......

    Me: Just lay it out instead, you been out all night bothced and now mommy grounded you haha!
    But anyhow you 08 (Stockholm) girls maybe aint that good anyhow, so you are probably right that tomorrow plans arent such a good idea... Game over for me now, got work tomorrow... good night little spoiled brat
    You disqualified yourself here but not in a good way. Always know you have value and there are dozens of women to take her place. If she doesnt want a good time...fuck her....another one will come along in 10 minutes. STOP BRINGING MOMMY INTO THIS. Unless you are under 18 (which you may be) for the love of god stop...lol

    Friday afternoon

    G: Why do you ask so much about my mom? We have a wonderful relationship and she would never hold me back from doing something fun with friends
    I *totally* called this. Plus she is asking you to somewhat qualify yourself...stick with banter and own the frame...she should qualify herself to you. A man cannot effectively qualify himself to a woman through text...its far too complex (body language, tonality, etc). Something like "WHOA! meeting the family is a little sudden. I need to be wined and dined first. Are you always this needy?" might have lead this text into a different direction.

    What do you mean with maybe not such good girls? Thanks! Its not about where youre born or raised, but about how you are as a person
    This is a great text to tease her about how bad she is and a great place to add a small amount of sexual tension (assuming you played the other texts right). Something like "Well I promised myself that I would only date good girls and I TOTALLY see the horns over your head. I cant believe you only see me as a walking piece of meat " Chicks eat that shit up!

    I have no idea what you think or feel about me, but i think youre an amazing guy and im forever grateful that i got to hang with you guys wednesday night Hug Hug
    FUCKING FRIEND ZONED! She is fishing for your validation and feelings (which never really works over text). Plus it sounds like she has no intentions of hanging out with you again romantically (just my 2 cents).

    Stop playing her games and being nice: own the frame and make her play your games. Do NOT be afraid of making impact. Its how you stand out. Say playful things to her than NO guy has ever said. Here is a real life example from a girl I am seeing:

    I was throwing heavy banter and I knew she was interested but she was only giving three or 4 word responses (she is heavily into games and tests because she is REALLY attractive):
    Me: Lets start a rock band. Can you learn the drums by Tuesday?
    HB: LOL, probably not
    Me: Ugh! Now I have to go with that Neil Peart Guy from Rush. I pictured you as a fame and fortune girl *sigh*
    HB: Yeah but just not in 4 days silly
    Me: Well then we will just have to make our millions wresting alligators and midgets. You bring the kiddie pool and I will bring the jello
    HB: LMAO, I will just watch
    Me: You want me to wrestle an alligator alone? Fine but you better be one hell of a cook

    She responded positively and the convo continued but I wanted to give you an example of owning the frame, being playful but also making impact (do NOT be afraid of her response...that is how you get friend zoned). If she doesnt respond...fine...i dont give a shit. I am playing the game for ME...not HER


    Take a look at T-Mals list of awesome texts. It will give you a feel for being a bad, playful boy that always gets what he wants so he has no interest in supplicating or validating women.

    https://www.puaforums.com/online-text-game/13034-texting-dos-donts-conversational-bible.html
    https://www.puaforums.com/online-tex...at-not-do.html

    Other thoughts?

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    Default Re: Need help with tricky one

    Thanks man! it was a bit hard to read all the things i i did wrong, but then again its the only way to learn and become a better man....

    I know my grammar sucks big time, its been a while since i used english and some of the words/expressions are and im ashamed to admit it google translations, but ill work on it.

    I will go through the review in details later, ive been caught up with work lately, anyway guessed who suddenly appears after 6 days of silence, the girl in question.

    HB: Where you at the festival yesterday?

    Wanna help and turn this shit around?


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