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    Default Having trouble opening

    If Shes a 9 or a 10 i try to neg but i dont think my negs are working that well. I use the simple; if her hairs down id say "Do you ever where your hair up? It looks good down but i feel it would look so sexy up" and visa versa if its up. I also tried to neg about the colour by saying have you ever thought about going blond or visa versa. I havn't got much luck. Does it come accross rude?

    Also how long do you think a message should be. Do you really need to explan things you have in common. don't get me wrong im not directly validating myself but im trying to use something that says; 'we have something in common'.

    Is there any kind off structure to follow that might make it more simple? Oh and any suggestions for more subtle negs?

    Many thanks in advance

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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    Quote Originally Posted by Creative View Post
    If Shes a 9 or a 10 i try to neg but i dont think my negs are working that well(1). I use the simple; if her hairs down id say "Do you ever where your hair up? It looks good down but i feel it would look so sexy up" and visa versa if its up. I also tried to neg about the colour by saying have you ever thought about going blond or visa versa. I haven't got much luck. Does it come across rude?(2)

    Also how long do you think a message should be. Do you really need to explain things you have in common. don't get me wrong I'm not directly validating myself but I'm trying to use something that says; 'we have something in common'.(3)

    Is there any kind off structure to follow that might make it more simple?(4) Oh and any suggestions for more subtle negs?(5)

    Many thanks in advance

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    1. If you have to wonder, they aren't working.

    2. Rude, no, probably not. The problem is the neg is crap. Of course, she wears her hair in different ways and probably colors it a wide array of colors. Why would she give a crap what you think? The neg you're looking for would be an observation anyone could have made, but you had the balls to point out. Not what your opinion is*. The neg should be delivered as fact.

    3. Text messaging, I presume. If you can't get the neg right, why are you worried about a step further down the line?

    4. I'm sure someone will have a product to show you, but I try to stay away from too much structure. Women prefer spontaneity and someone who can take a moment and make it theirs.

    5. A subtle neg seems very oxymoronic.


    There are negs listed on this site all over the place. I'm sure it won't take long to find some you can pull off. If you want to run a specific one by me, I'll let you know what I think. So much goes into a neg it is hard to say what's good. Are you at a bar, a club, Wal-Mart, in front of her hfamily, friends, are their time constraints...it all can matter.


    *Opinion negs are fine, but you are not ready to use them properly.
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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    Cheers Nik. that made sense.

    number 3 was actually meant to come accross as the first message i send her through the site. wasn't sure on the length. but you cleared it up with your 4th point. it shouldnt matter the length when your be spontanious.

    Yeah i havn't quite figgured out negs yet so like you said il have to understand them properly before i use them.

    thanks for your advise

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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    My advice is to NEVER open with a neg when Online dating.

    There are many reason for this;

    1) First, negging face to face, is a lot different. On the internet, she can't see your body language, hear your tone etc. well enough to understand you are playfully flirting. It takes a lot of balls to neg a hot girl at a club and often they will respect that. But on the internet people can hide behind their screens and do whatever they want.

    2) No doubt she has refused to respond to a lot of approaches. A lot fo those guys, I'm sure, have already foolishly sent her a "hate mail" where they deride her for not responding back to them. A neg will remind her of all those "hate emails".

    3) A hot woman on internet dating, probably has some self esteem issues. You are already walking on a tightrope.

    Instead of negging, I'd go for the Challenge Email.

    Subject Line: "I dare you to read this" (this subject line works at least 80% of the time to at least get her to read it).

    Body. Sometimes I will say soemthing like: "You are beautiful, but if you were in a nightclub and every other girl looked exactly like you, how would you stand apart from the crowd?"

    Try using a "neg" email opening on 10 girls and a "challenge" email on 10 girls and I'm pretty sure you will get more responses with a challenge email.

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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    Yeah, no negs for online dating. I hadn't seen it was in the online dating forum.
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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    Sweet advice. im glad i joined this site. Thanks pokerbaby

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    Default Re: Having trouble opening

    in all honesty i havnt been PUAing for very long but when you see a girl ( in real life that is) and you want to neg her the one that works the best for me is the "is your hair real or is it a wig" or a variation of that. this works even if you know 1000000% that its real. if they say yes and tug on it just say i dont believe you and then you pull on it from the back of their head which they love or they say nowits not real and you go with the obvicous stuff that flows from there


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