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    Default Re: too cocky?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sitfab View Post
    However, when a guy hits on a HB9 ( successfully, in part, since he got her number AND she's talking to her ) and then all of a sudden switches to a HB6 to game AND Kiss-Closes her, then his perceived value will AUTOMATICALLY drop(1). Why? Mostly because of survival and replication value. The HB9 would probably think something among the lines "He couldn't get me completely, so he went for what he can handle. Why should I even care?"(2). If the HB6 would have been an HB9 too ( maybe even better, a HB10 ), it would've been a completely different story.

    Oh, and for the record, I did not state that "kissing" is dlv, I stated that the "HB6" is a DLV.
    1. Your idea of successs and mine are different. I get numbers regularly. To the point I don't even make contact with all of them. Making out with a woman is much better than getting a woman's number.

    You get a number, she may or may not answer/respond. You may or may not get her to meet with you, again. If you get her to meet, you may or may not get the kiss.

    If you're already kissing in the bar, she has already invested some interest in you and will work harder to move things forward with less resistance.

    2. That's not how woman think. IF she really liked him and saw him making out with another woman her thought process would be closer to:

    "Oh, my God! Is she hotter than me?" The answer to this question really doesn't matter, becasue she thinks she has something to prove, at this point. This is how a six can be better than a ten. Most attractive women rate themselves lower on the ten scale than most men would rate them. However, they can rate women unknown to them like men can.

    Next, she'll think:
    "Well, he probably knew her before..." or some other justification why he picked the six over her. Remember, women think we can read their signals; which, most of us can't.


    Story:
    Last night I went out to a bar with JW (from the linked thread). She and I met up with some other people. One of the bartenders (8.5 face 9.3 body) had given me her number on Wednesday when we were both out at a different bar, but I was with another woman.

    The bartender, KE, said "hi" to me and remained at the opposite end of the bar the rest of the time we were there.

    After close, I was at a buddy's house drinking some beer and sent her a text, "You off, yet?" After about 30 minutes, she replied, "Hey!! What's up?" I excused myself, called her and we spoke for around 30 minutes.

    I asked her what her problem was and why she wouldn't talk to me. She told me she thought I was "with that girl" and didn't want to mess anything up for me. She also said that she always saw me with different women and didn't want to get in the way of anything. I told her I wouldn't be hitting on her if I wasn't single and asked how long she had been watching me. She said it had been a few months (wish I'd known that sooner).

    I also told her about what JW had said. JW told me, after we left, that KE really liked me and kept looking over at me and would flex her (very muscular) legs and ass when I looked her direction. KE said she was embarrased and didn't realize she was flexing, but she did admit she was watching me.

    Tonight, KE has to work another job. She will be there with a woman I dated for a brief time in May. She's in the 9-10 range.

    Don't burn bridges unnecessarily and be seen being successful with women and you're going to be much more successful, my definition.


    Instead of thinking in terms of a specific number, think: "would I admit to having had sex with her, or not?" That's more accurate in relating to how women are going to rate other women and react.
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    Default Re: too cocky?

    1. For Ba$$Hunter and newbies in general who aren't good with girls almost at all, getting a number from an HB9 and actually taking it somewhere from there is a success. Over time, one increases his perception of success to the point of considering anything else than SNL's disappointing. Keep in mind, "disappointing" doesn't necessarily mean "failure".

    Making out with a woman is much better than getting a woman's number.

    You get a number, she may or may not answer/respond. You may or may not get her to meet with you, again. If you get her to meet, you may or may not get the kiss.

    If you're already kissing in the bar, she has already invested some interest in you and will work harder to move things forward with less resistance.
    Gee, thanks, Captain Obvious.

    2. That really depends on the self-confidence level and a whole other factors.

    Btw, Ba$$Hunter's situation would make an intriguing Opener. Gonna try it sometime )

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    Default Re: too cocky?

    If it was that obvious, you would have seen that making out with the six only helped him with the nine.
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    Default Re: too cocky?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sitfab View Post
    Btw, Ba$$Hunter's situation would make an intriguing Opener. Gonna try it sometime )
    I was thinking the same thing; it's a great "can I get a female opinion on something..." Of course, I would have to tell it like it's a friend's situation. Would you include the discussion on how good looking each girl is?

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    Default Re: too cocky?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ba$$Hunter View Post
    I was thinking the same thing; it's a great "can I get a female opinion on something..." Of course, I would have to tell it like it's a friend's situation. Would you include the discussion on how good looking each girl is?
    If you're going to tell the story, tell the story.

    I wouldn't even tell it as a friend's situation, necessarily. You are going ot have to give it some drama if you're going to tell it as you.

    Make it short and sweet, but with all relevant details if you're using an opinion opener.
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