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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    I merely gave you another option to choose from the variety of which the Anti-Flake routine could go. I cannot simply go out and say "Do this" or "Do that", because it's ultimately your option what you choose that feels best for you and is congruent with you.

    Also, I might add that "playing it safe" will get you nowhere fast always, especially with a smoking HB. Because you give her control and ultimately lose attraction for you.

    It really depends on how you look at things, in regards to being perceived as an ultimatum. You're listing some qualities she has ( and have made known already...twice ) but at the same time, you are not going to sit around for her answer, even if it's a yes or a no. An ultimatum sounds to me like an angry guy going "Bitch, you better do that or else".

    What I have in my head when telling her all this is this calm but firm message that actually says "Hey, here's your chance at the two of us having some fun by my rules. I have a lot of options and from those options I choose you. If you say yes then it's a win win situation, if you say no, it's truly your loss. Take it or leave it, I don't care". So from my point of view, it's not an ultimatum, it's a "take it or leave it".

    Since it's like the third time you ask her out, you pretty much have to put your foot down. You've been overly eager to meet her and she knows this. This is the safety blanket you need to get back in the driver's seat.

    It's your call. High risk, high reward. Ask her out on a date for Tuesday, for example.

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    I think tues or sometime next week is the way to go because im 95% sure she will be working this weekend so I don't want her to say "sorry I'm working till 12" and then me have to look more desperate by saying "well what about tues?"... Do you think it be too early to ask her out tomorrow for a date next week with something like this? "hey how has your week been going? I remember you mentioning to me you work every 2nd weekend, so I was wondering if u wanna grab a drink/dinner next week sometime when you are free?" this shows her that I had been listening well to her when she was telling me about herself and sets up a date in advance. What are your thoughts on that approach?

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    Try the day after tomorrow.

    "hey how has your week been going? I'm free Tuesday evening, let's go out for coffee, say 7-ish. Sounds good?"

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    ok i think i will use that. and if she is interested, and can't make that it that night, it should set me up to hook up with her the following weekend which i know she will have free. thanks for you help. i'll keep you posted on the responses i get if i feel i need you "wisdom"

    cheers

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    Look chief, how many times do you have to tell the girl what a great time you had? Hell, if it was really that great of a time, you shouldn't even have to mention it. It's just a given. Obviously this is pretty important to you, and I'm nothing if not a stand up, good deed-doing guy, so keep reading.

    I stumbled across this site and just couldn't stop reading these stories. Some were genuinely hopeless, a couple really made me smile because they just told a great story. And then there's yours... so compelling, I joined this place on my junk email just to write this.

    Look dude, I'm not a pick up artist, a Pua, or some other goofy acronym you guys made up. I don't do magic tricks or talk to people about cubes (exactly how old are the girls this fascinates?). I just like pussy the same way I like bacon on my pizza. I don't freak out when the pizza arrives. I don't save the bacon until last. I don't eat the bacon first. It doesn't get any special treatment, I just eat the damn pizza. I farking love bacon, but if that was my only focus I'd miss out on the mozzarella.

    Try to follow my metaphor here, the pizza is the moment, it's the night you already had planned with your friends. She's the bacon. farking hot or not, don't overcomplicate what's already there, let it happen. Going in a bar near closing time is like shopping with a 50% off coupon at a discount store. And that night you shopped at the right store but you still ended up shortchanging yourself.

    I can absolutely understand being taken a little off guard when a smoking hot girl just runs up and grabs you when you walk in the door, who wouldn't be? but at least by the time she took you outside for a smoke you should have realized what was up. As you talked you should have been asking her some meaningful questions, making some insightful commentary on her and her friends. Just because you only want her legs over her head doesn't mean you can't be genuinely interested! The only thing people love more than talking about themselves is hearing other people's observations of them, and it would have paid dividends later.

    You should have been getting close to her, casually touching her, putting her hand on you, just generally seeing what you could get away with. She's a dime, bro, and you met her in a bar at closing time. She knows you want to fark her just like everyone else who wants to buy her dinner so they'll feel some sort of justification for the sex. She's not a prostitute (as best as I can tell). I imagine she was probably pretty offended when you called her with some sappy bullsh1t. You were past that point dude. Even if she legitimately had to stick with her friends and sex was impossible that night, grab the sharpie you keep in your pocket (always have one, you can thank me later) put it in her hand, grab her hand, stick it up your shirt, and tell her "Write your number on me so I don't forget it." More importantly so SHE won't forget YOU.

    You don't have to go out with the Mindset of farking with someone's head or playing stupid games, if you have to rely on crutches, you're weak from the beginning. You just take charge and go after what you want. She's not going to politely ask you to fark. If you get past her comfort zone then good, she's flirted with you too, and you've called her bluff and taken control of the situation. She won't hold it against you. Quite contrary my friend.

    Anyway, take that analysis as hindsight and as a pointer for the next girl. The real question here is what do you do with yourself now? Obviously she WAS into you. I can't tell you where you stand with her now that you've come on to her like a schoolboy, but at least at this point you have nowhere to go but up. Don't kid yourself, as the situation stands, we both know she stands a better chance of riding MY cock this weekend.

    First, be honest with yourself. You really lamed it up after a pretty good first impression, but remeber it WAS a good first impression, so the door WAS open. Now we don't know if it's shut, locked, or cracked, but you're going to kick it in anyway just to be sure.

    You've got to be honest with her too. You talk about the poor girl on here like you're just trying to mount her on your trophy wall. There isn't a farking thing in the world wrong with that; the problem being deep down you feel guilty and don't realize she was probably thinking of spot to mount you! How surprised do you think she was when the next time you talk to her you try to take her down with a nerf gun? Talk to her like you're actually in charge of your life and tell her this:

    "I know I said I really want to get to know you, and I absolutely do... BUT... I don't want you to think I'm not a nice guy, but after getting close to you, smelling your [perfume/shampoo/smelly girly sh1t] (always compliment how she smells even if you can't smell a damn thing and find out what she wears. If you didn't do this already then improvise and do it next time) and putting my hands [on/around somewhere nice you hopefully touched her] (if you didn't touch her, then God help you) I've been thinking about exploring every inch of you and finding out what puts chill bumps up those long, tan legs.
    I'm going to bla bla bar/club tonight. COME. Lets smash some drinks and come up with some bad ideas so I can get my mind back on [something interesting about her you talked about when you met].


    You'll want to call her before lunch so she has a better chance of being free that night. Don't be a dumbass and pick a night she's working, and don't be general, and don't say tomorrow! It's TONIGHT. You've only got one shot, so don't fark up, but know that the ammo you've got now was custom made for your unique situation by a lifelong big game hunter.

    You can repay me for this farking novel written in gold simply by letting us all know how it goes. Don't hesitate pulling your phone camera out either, since we both know she's obviously not shy. I don't care to see it, but it's YOUR trophy wall my friend, and the more you get, the more you get. I've just found these stories fascinating to read, and felt compelled to help.

    Lastly, a hint: approach the whole situation simply as practice for the next one, because whorehunting season never ends.

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    Thanks for the Post! I really appreciate the tips. I honestly thought I Played the game pretty good last sat. But I definitely admit the Monday text was lame. I still feel I can get her to go out with me and I know once I've got her out on a date it's a lock. I agree with waiting till the day I want to go out with her to ask and I know she's working this weekend. So u do t think I should text her anything till next week? I'd like to throw something funny at her this wknd to redeem myself and get her thinking of me for next week when I ask her out. Any suggestions??

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    No. The last thing you need between now and this call is for this girl to be thinking about you. You want her to forget about your little fumble, not be reminded of it. You're kicking the door in remember? And you never knock before you kick a door in dude, you could hurt someone!

    Definitely don't text what I've told you. CALL. Just say it like you mean it. Spoken words leave much less to interpretation, and calls are much more personal. Don't say it like like you're farking cassanova, and don't read it to her like your borrowing excess swagger from the internet. You clearly state your desire for a burger with no pickles to the girl behind the counter at Burger King because that's what you WANT . You don't ask for it, and you sure as hell don't try to talk her into giving it to you. It's on the menu, and you already know you can have it, so say it in plain English when you call because it's what you WANT, and then shut your mouth.

    The next person to speak loses. Allow her to respond, and then end the conversation. Again, speak SLOWLY, clearly, with absolutely no reaction in your voice, and as a farking man retaining absolute control of the conversation when you say:

    "All right. [Pause] I gotta go. [Pause] Later." THE END. HANG UP.

    Don't rush out of the conversation like a bitch, END IT like a man and leave her to her thoughts of Saturday night.

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    So simple, read what was written:

    Her: "ya I want to see u again too, u let me know when is good for u"

    You: "hey I had a great time on sat and hope to see u soon!"

    Hope to see you soon? Just lost credibility there.

    Forget buyers remorse or any of that. I say you do this, "Hey ____, hope you haven't had as busy of a week as I have. Anyway, I remembering you mentioning to let you know when a good time for us to hang is. Lucky for you, a few of my buddies are going to a bar I HATE on Saturday. What time can I pick you up?"

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    Remember*

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    Default Re: Absolutely Puzzled with this scenario..please help!

    Remember you can edit your posts dude?

    This would have been just fine and would have probably kept things flowing right along at their current pace if he had, you know, used it the first, or hell, even the second time either as his initial invitation or as a sort of back up plan when she said she was working.

    Unfortunately, that's not the case for our friend here. She's a little too close to the edge to reach with yet another friendly text message. I'd wager, actually, that this whole thread turns into a sad story should he reach out with another limp bid at redeeming himself.

    He's not out though, and he knows it. He did a pretty good job up until his thumbs got the best of him. Luckily he was smart enough to stop while he was ahead.

    Looking at the steep decline in interest shown in her replies, he's really only got one shot left. Don't blow the guy's chances trying to talk him into something good, but not good enough. You don't charge the paint and hit the easy two in the final seconds of the game when you're down by three, just so you can lose by less. You fall back on all your practice and as precisely as you can, throw up the three to take it to overtime. Then you play as hard as you should have in the first place.


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