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Hey guys I've downloaded loads of content on PUA and well I'm only starting to get through some of the information that I've attained so I'm just trying things out step by step. I've got so far 2 actual targets that I'd probably choose from and a 3rd which is just a practice target.

** Please note: Girl A and B and C all exists in different classes. They have not met and do not related with each other. I've done this to isolate any possibility of them finding out that I'm going around having multiple targets to practice on.

So let's begin with my attempt on Girl A:

Some facts you should know before I begin:
- I've already opened with her before
- We've sat together during lectures but not during tutorials
- Today is a tutorial
- Casual girl.. sometimes wears something a bit more high class

I walk into the classroom I see girl A with no one sitting next to her. Behind her sat 2 girls that I regularly sit with (they're just decoys that I use for dhv purposes). Having some previous bad experiences, I hesitated and sat next to the 2 girls at the back rather than sitting next to girl A. Now, the question I have right here is "was this a bad move? Should I have sat with her? Would this give her too much attention?" As you would expect, this ended up being like the 1st episode of PUA where I'd be the lonely guy in the bar standing there in the end even though there's a girl that's IOIing me like CRAZY she was flipping and flipping her hair. I felt so bad... I just lost my chance. I'm going to try to use the 5 questions game with her when I see her again next week.

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Girl B:

Info:
- High profile girl
- HB9 or HB10
- Has blackberries and is texting constantly
- I opened with her as well already on a previous day
- Class is already in session

I wanted to put Mystery's theory into test. I wore something that wasn't what I would wear normally (less peacock like). But I guess I under-dressed today because when I entered the classroom it seemed like she still had the connection at first, but had her legs crossed... you know, the kind that covers her private part? So that's really bad news for me, I panicked and went blank. I didn't say much. On the other hand, she started initiating conversation with me and I tried to get her to crack up but, well... let's just say it didn't go too well. She did giggle a little but it wasn't the effect I was hoping to achieve. I saw perfect moments where I could've made her laugh but was afraid to do so because it had to do with what the prof was saying and he's standing right in my face! So class ends and looked like she was waiting for me AT FIRST, but then when I packed up and wanted to leave she starts waiting in line and I asked her "are you asking a question?" She says "Yes... Or heck, I'll ask the TA". She goes to the back to talk to the TA and I didn't want to look anymore weird/loserish than what has already happened and I pretended to respond to a call on my phone and left (in attempt to preserve value). She never tried to come up to me and so I just left for good.

Alright story time's over. What did I do wrong? What should I be doing?

The mystery method doesn't work in college...

well I have this pretty much wrapped around my head now but can someone offer me some advice on how I can approach or carry a conversation every time we meet considering this is a college day game?

One problem I find with all these moves is, it gets you introduced to the beautiful girl but when you see her again in class... What are you going to say? The material is out from then on. You can't possibly be arguing with your friend every week about some stupid issue like brushing or flossing first.. if you know what I mean? lol..

First of all, your over analysing things. It is a common mistake when you first get into gaming. It is even worse if you are gaming college or highschool age girls. You will have much more success with a more natural gaming style. Read "conquer your campus" and maybe some of Gamblers stuff.

In scenario 1, one of the ways you could have dealt with it, would have been to walk by the girl, then do a double take, and start a conversation. It could have been anything, from how you just noticed that you don't know her name even though you sit behind her every day. Or something about some characteristic you noticed from your view. As soon as you have engaged her, you just sit down next to her while your taking. It would be completely natural.

Peacocking is generally considered to be out dated everywhere, but it especially is a bad fit in a class room type setting. If you want to use elements of peacocking, make it subtle, like an interesting necklace or ring, or a funny shirt. It should not make women notice you as much as it will give them something to talk about, if they really want to talk to you, but don't know what to say.

We have been a little rough on you, but you are only starting out. Don't give up, you'll get it with some practice.

Yeah.. I can't wait to get that book now. I guess I might've over analyzed but here's the weird thing. Girl B's legs were not only crossed away from me, her shoes were pointed away from me as well. That's why I got over sensitive about it. I wasn't sure if she's still interested anymore. Another thing is, she stopped those hair flipping signs that she normally would do. It seemed like she suddenly got overly comfortable (again this could be over analysis).

Here's another question: To wait or not to wait for the girl after class. Which one is better? Is it necessary to just say "I'm going to my next class" to preserve value?

If you can naturally fall into line with her on the way out of class, then by all means talk to her. If you really strike up a conversation, keep talking for a little bit. However, it needs to look, and be natural. Think about it this way: If you weren't interested in her at all, except maybe as an interesting person who might make a nice friend, would your action be natural? If you can't say yes to that, then don't do it. You don't want to make it look like your spending extra time to her.

That changes as soon as you can hook her on some sort of common interest. Once you have established some sort of rapport, then it is natural for you to go a little out of your way to talk to her.

One thing that I found to be effective, in the class room setting, is to try to get study groups together for tests and such. You already have good rapport with the women right behind her. Strike up a conversation with them, and then get them to agree to meet with you at a coffee shop to study (maybe before a test), then turn to the girl you like, and say, "Hey, you should come too." You might mention some indicator of why you think she would be beneficial to the study group. It is a light engagement, but it will help you establish the rapport that you need, so that you can strike up conversation with her at any time, and build attraction.

Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely give this a try in the coming week. I'll report back soon. BTW, is it important that I build kino escalation with her at this point?

Yes and no. You want to build kino as soon as possible in any relationship, but the classroom setting makes it kinda hard. Once you have established a little rapport, you can do things like nudging her in class, brushing something out of her hair, and lightly bumping her leg. All of those things, sans the nudging, are suggestive, so you want to be on easy terms with her before you try them. That is why it is much easier to get her out of the classroom, ie to coffee or something, where you can be a little more flirty and build kino.

One thing you have going for you, is that there is a certain bit of professionalism expected in the classroom. Once you get her out of that setting, you can immediately be more friendly and push the kino. For instance, when you meet her for coffee, if you can do it boldly, and naturally, just go for a hug as soon as you meet her. You should alway hug women that you know. So if she is somewhat open, just say something like, "Hey!" and give her a hug as soon as you see her (at the coffee shop, or whatever). That may not be possible, you have to judge. However, if you can't get that type of kino going right away, or early, your job is going to be much, much more difficult. If you have those other women there (from class), they will be much more open to a hug, so give them hugs first, and then just naturally turn to her.

Another thing to keep an eye out for:
If there are multiple people when you meet, and probably that is going to be the only way you will be able to get her to come meet you outside of class, be nice to them all, and flirt with them all a fair amount. You don't want to focus on her at first. In fact, it is often better to flirt with the target a little bit less than the rest of the people to begin with. That way she will subconciously feel that she needs to prove her self to you. As soon as she makes an active interest to be part of the group, specifically if it plays to a conversation or question that you started, show a little bit of approval or interest, and slowly give her more attention. Also keep the kino up, by being touchy, in a friendly way with everyone. Be a little more suggestive with her (Obviously, late in the meeting).

If she agrees to a an event, that is an excellent time to get her number. It is natural to ask for it, because you may need to let her know if the plans change. Once you have hung out with her, you can safely start txting game. I or some of the other people on the forum can help you with that. I hate txting, but God invented txting for PUA's like us. It is amazing how much you can accomplish with it.

Update coming for Girl A

I was walking to class this morning and I saw her walking infront of me. I saw this as an opportunity for Kino escalation so I went playfully around her (without her noticing) tapped her on the opposite shoulder to get her looking the other way so when she looks back she sees me. Check mark on the initial kino. The plan worked like a charm. She started talking to me about how she got sick and the walnuts that we've received on the way to school this morning. She wants to share with me about her life, check mark #2. We went into the class room and as I pass by, I see my decoys so I stop for a few seconds to talk to her saying "Are you going to come with with us after?" Decoy says "yes". Check mark #3 attained. Once I had my decoy in place along with 2 of her friends, now we have a social group including Girl A. I started off talking a lot to the decoy isolating Girl A slightly (hoping to build a little dhv there) and then went about to include her into the conversations. She picked up on it and quickly joined the group. Check mark#4 attained. At this point, I can still see she's attracted to me and things are going the way it should be. Everything felt a lot more natural rather than me trying to be mr.jerkus to get her attention.

Now, the only problem is when I proposed the "let's go study together" thing, Decoy was so into her own essay due tmr that she didn't care what I had to offer and basically said something in the lines of "let's just wait until my essay is done first before we talk". I didn't continue any further and just left it at that. Girl A reacted with "hmm...." but didn't say yes or no.

Alright guys, it's the moment of truth. Please rate how well my progress is and what I should do to try to inject the idea of "study group" without sounding too forceful. I will see them all tomorrow in tutorial.

Sounds like your making real progress. Keep up the good work. You may not want to believe it, but the hardest part of the job is out of the way. The target woman knows you exist, and you have established some commonality and rapport.

I would bring up the study plan again, and if you can get any of the women involved, do it. Even if you don't get the target in on it, just tell her, it is "Her Loss". Then you can casually bring up later, how you guys had a good time, and learned a lot. If she shows interest and regret for not making it, you can offer to include her next time, and you might even mention that you have some spare time, to catch her up to date, one on one.

If you can't get the group to the study group, pretend like it doesn't matter. Just say, that you have plenty to do anyway, and maybe next time, it will work out. Then just keep ramping up the attraction. You also want to elevate kino a little more. Try to work up to a hug when you see the one girl each day. You might mention, that she looks like she could use a hug, if she says no, then say, "Well, it can't hurt", and spread you arms and go for it. If she starts to look defensive, drop one hand, and pat her on the back with the other, then playfully tell her that she is "No fun."

Other Note:
Now that you have established some rapport, you can feel free to be a little more direct in your attraction to the target. It is also all right to actively seek a conversation with her. Since you know her now, it is natural to want to see how she is doing and such.

Another Option:
Since you have already established a pretense of wanting to get to know her as a friend, you have an opportunity to get her out all by herself. You can ask her if her day is really hectic. If she says no, mention that you don't have a lot going on either, and since you guys have hit it off so well, you should go to coffee later in the afternoon and get to know each other.

Girl A and B Update.

Girl A
The plan is working better than expected. I was running a bit late for class so I didn't get a chance to sit beside Girl A but this later on is actually an asset (more on this later). I built rapport on Decoys next to me hoping that they would help me out on the study group thing. We went into the session where we'd practice conversing with each other (it's a language course) and Girl A was hesitant to come to me (I sensed she wanted to, but just didn't have the right "excuse"). I stuck with my decoys until the prof said "change partners". Girl A looked straight at me and I was about to connect when the girl behind me tapped me fast. As I turned to look at her, I saw Girl A on the corner of my eye looking slightly bummed out but having to choose another random partner. I feel that this HB7 is probably interested in me as well so I used this opportunity to build rapport with her. Class ends and I saw Girl A getting ready to leave. I panicked (no! I'm supposed to do that study group thing again!) but remembering what gunsnglory had said, I continued talking to HB7 about getting together for a study group. To my suprise, Girl A didn't leave and actually came into the group. I immediately invited her in and tried to add the decoys to make this look a lot more engaging, but Decoys apparently have work so it may as well be just us 3. Before I can say "hey, why don't you give me your numbers so we can get together", Girl A initiated to get everyone's numbers! We're going to trade numbers tomorrow so everything will be set and done by then. This is going much better than I had expected. She's totally into me! Maybe this time I'll really hit the bulls eye although I want to hold off my thank yous until I actually seal the first kiss.

Girl B
Girl B probably noticed that I left the other day without her which created a weird atmosphere. I walked in and saw that she moved from her original spot (almost seeming to say "I don't want you to find me anymore"). However, front row was filled so I had to go 1 row back and bam! There she was! Next to her was an empty seat. As I approached the seat next to her, she didn't look up. I don't think a girl's sense are that bad. She purposely avoided eye contact with me (keeping her head down) and throughout the entire lecture didn't say a peep. I see other girls are interested in me and Girl B had loosened up slightly after (minor hair brushing, but barely any). Her legs are still crossed pointing in the opposing direction of me. I mirrored her action and crossed my legs on the opposite side to her. unfortunately, it's one of those lectures that are so dead that only the prof's voice could be heard. I tried talking to a guy that I know is in my tutorial to hopefully build some dhv, but it was hard to whisper. Ultimately, I saved it until the end of class before I talked to him. As I talked to him, Girl B gave me a quick stare (could it be she's hoping to fall out of class naturally??) and then left in the end (prolly didn't want to be awkward). She vanished quickly unlike the first time I saw her where she would walk fast, but eventually come to a halt for me to catch up to her.

With all this tension, is there a way to loosen it up so that we can at least be friends and not look so weird when we see each other? She's locking me out, what can I do to open her up again?

I noticed you keep mentioning that Girl B has her legs crossed and pointing away from you. Did you notice if they were like this before you sat down or did she do that after you sat down? Big difference. If she was like that when you came in it may just be that "time of the month" for her. But if she does that after you sit down, you know she has an issue with you. She may be upset with you in her head for talking to one of the other women (I think jealousy can be good if you can turn it to your advantage).

She sounds a little "high" maintenace to me but I wouldn't let that stop me if you are up to the challenge.

Ok, it seems like there's some confusion going on between Girl A and B being stated here. First, I want to clarify that Girl A and B exists in different classes. Therefore, Girl A is story 1 and Girl B is story 2.

Now Girl B seems to have crossed her legs when I sat down. She doesn't have any competition at this point so I don't think she'll be angry about me being "taken away" but more like she's either "nervous, but kinda interested again", wanted to show me that "I'm out of her league" or she's upset that I've left her last time because she went to go ask TA a question and I left. But this is weird, I would've stood next to her like a dork waiting for her to ask the TA a question and that would communicate way too much attention. I'm sorta being sandwiched between the 2 ideals (being with her vs preserving value). At this point, I don't even know if I have a chance to patch things up. I find myself being most successful with Girl A and will probably put more effort into her out of the other 2 girls. I feel inferior to Girl B sometimes even though she's totally adorable because of the money issue. She seems like the type that would put a gigantic hole in my wallet that I can't afford. Right now I just want to be friends again with Girl B so that things won't be so awkward. But who knows? Who's to say that Girl A is a sure win? I can always use Girl B as a good back up in case something fails with Girl A you know what I mean?

Congrats on girl A!

With the other chick, just try to be friendly. If she blows you off, just ignore her for a bit, and then be friendly again. Could be she is dealing with some random crap, and doesn't want the complications. Could be she is just very nervous. At this point, you just have to be available to her until she opens up.

Thanks! I'll work hard for sure! I'm starting to like Girl A little bit more (still trying to control how much I'm committing to her emotionally).

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Update on Girl A:

Alright PUA mates, let the texting game begin! I got her phone number today and I've started to show more obviously that I'm interested in her. I sat next to Decoy this morning for Japanese class (Girl A wasn't there yet). When she came in, she had this awkward look on her face (she didn't know if she should say hi or what to do) and I didn't want to let another chance slip away so I started talking to her and brought my bags and jackets over (the decoys noticed and looked a bit shocked). I guess moving over like that already communicates a lot of interest in her. She seemed to be kept at that hyped state (good sign) and we were able to make short bursts of conversation even throughout class. She also took out her phone to grab my number so we're all setup now. I can't wait to see how the game unfolds this Saturday when I meet up with them for the "study group" thing. More updates will follow as time progress.

Ok, so I've never played the "texting/email" game. Where do I start? What are the basic rules that I can't go without?

**Update**

Girl A text me: This is a test! See you sat!

What do I say? =S

There are people who are much better at text game then me, but here are some pointers:

Never say something in one text, when you can say it in two. This rule applies even when breaking up the text message could cause some ambiguity (Unless it is really, really going to piss her off if she mistakes it):
For instance:
Instead of "Hey, let's hang out. We can go get a drink." Break those two sentences apart and send the first, wait for a response, then send the second.

Hand in hand with the previous rule, keep texts short, and try to ask open ended questions.

Never text more than once, until you get a response to your previous text. (There are very few exceptions to this rule. If she doesn't respond for a long time, and you really need to convey the rest of the details of something to her, you can sometimes break the rule, but almost never, unless she hasn't responded in a 24 hour time period, do you text her more than once).

Realize that you can get away with a heck of a lot more in a text than you can in real life. This is for two reasons: One, she will feel less threatened by a text. Two, if she takes it wrong, you can tell her that she needs to quit getting so up tight as it was obviously a joke (even if it wasn't). For this reason, you should make the texts very fun and flirty.

Let me repeat that last part: Texts need to be light, fun, and flirty.

Keep the texts based completely on your next meet up. (In other words, don't talk about future plans, other than your next get together).

If she flakes on something, never act disappointed. (Unless, it becomes a habit of hers, then call her out for it.)

If she starts to take you for granted, set up something, then text her to blow her off. Wait awhile, then attempt to set up another event. You want her to realize that you are a busy person, and you can't, and won't drop everything to be with her.

texting is a great time to casually drop things about your life. (Hint: it is easy and very effective to casually mention a fun time you had with some other unnamed woman in your life, the previous night).

If she blows you off, just say, "That's okay, I'll invite someone else."

If she takes too long to respond, when she does tell her, that you are busy and you'll catch up with her later.

Get in the habit of sending leading texts. One way you can accomplish this, is to use an ellipse after much of your texts. For instance: "You're a fun person..." It implies that you meant more than you said. It also allows you to recover if they take something horribly wrong, because it implies that you didn't finish your thought.

This one is a little controversial, but in my experience: Refrain from emoticons and 'lol'. Still joke around. If they take something wrong, you can jokingly give them a hard time for being so serious. If you use smiley faces and 'lol' after every potentially risky post, it makes you look insecure, and like you are seeking her approval.

Remember that you ultimately want to get her to agree to go out with you as a purely social get together. As soon as you accomplish that, you want to try to get intimate as soon as possible. Most skilled pick-up artists, meet them, and then "change the plans" and get them to go home with them. That may be a little too aggressive for you, but you definitely want to ramp kino up as quick as possible, when you get her out.

Hopefully some of the text game masters will step up to the plate and add on to my list.

I hate to endorse Paul Janka again, but his system is based completely around numbers, so he spends a lot of time talking about texting game. I would recommend reading some of his material on texting.

One more thing:
When I said, you can be more flirty with this girl, I meant it. However, you don't want to come off like you are zeroing in on her. You made a potentially bad play when you left the decoy for the other girl. What you should have done, is either casually waved her over, when she caught your eye, or made some sign language that you would catch up with her after class.

hmm... In this case should I change tactics? I've kinda given it a bad start already so is it better if I sit back next to decoy next time or maybe even with someone else at another row? Or would it end up backfiring?

The way our seating works is 3 chairs in 1 row. She sits in her own row while I sit 1 row behind her

CM = Class mate
D = Decoy

[CM1] [CM2] [Girl A]

[Me] [D1] [D1's friend]

[D2] [CM3] [CM4]

As you can see, it's difficult to "wave her over" when she's sitting so far away from me. I guess the only solution is to show sign language that we'll get together for a chat after perhaps?

I've broken your rule about the "lol". I replied before I saw your message here and my response to her msg was "lol.. see you Saturday". Thanks for the tips. Those are REAL bad habits that I often commit.

From your previous posts, it is obvious that she likes you. No one is perfect. You have made some mistakes, but it doesn't appear that they have been fatal. Don't withdraw. What you have done, has worked thus far, just be a little careful in the future. For instance, there is nothing wrong with sitting by her in the future, but never leave a girl for another in such a blatant manner. Also, I would be especially nice to the decoy next time, otherwise she might get pissed and cockblock you. No one wants to be used, so she might feel hurt.

Hmm, I agree. I think that's exactly what happened cause I sense Decoy1 having a bit of intentions on her own as well. The reason I pulled the trigger a bit too quickly was because I thought I needed to show Girl A "attraction" a bit more obvious. I'm assuming it's not necessary now, but I don't want her to feel like I'm just baiting her around. If I continue to sit with Girl A in the future, won't that force Decoy1 into cockblock mode? The real big issue is if I shift my position from where I'm sitting (as shown above), I would be far away from Decoy 2 but I may also at the same time attempt to engage other people who sit 1 row infront of Girl A and I. I'm debating if I should throw myself into an uncomfortable zone or stick with what I've already built.

I've also read up on ideas about first date and such but to be honest, where I live isn't like NYC where there are tons of parks and lovely things within my campus area. It's really just buildings with tons of classrooms so there aren't any "memorable" places that would represent me. I also have to emphasize that where I live, requires a car for sure (which I don't) as a means of transportation or we'd be walking 15 mins just to head down 1 block on the street. Any tips on how I can pull off dates without having to do major traveling? Multiple venues is a bit difficult without a car . I've taken a few ideas off my co-workers who said something in the lines of taking her to arcade places where I can do kino escalation without looking like a pervert but the major problem is not having a car.

Girl A update:

If I was to describe it with 2 words, it would be "blown out". I met up with Girl A today during a seminar and she was still doing that hair flip and everything. "Great!" I said to myself. We talked for a bit and here's where things go wrong. I asked her if she wanted to do the Japan exchange program (this would be great for our developments) and she says "No. I don't have money to do it because my boyfriend would have to pay rent on his own and everything would be a mess." Damn it! She has a boyfriend!

Nothing went wrong after except I started to feel threatened a little and became somewhat quiet. I still tried to carry on as much conversation as I can without being all bored and everything but.. there were times when she had to try and start a convo with me (I still need some more practice to get the hang of it). She's a very good talker and it turns out she's way older than I am (She doesn't look that way). So in my mind I thought "did I just get picked up instead?" I can't even tell.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my assumption right now is that I've been thrown on the friends list correct? Is it really game over? The problem is I don't feel competent enough right now to start stealing people's girlfriends when I've just entered the game, not to mention they live together and have WAY MORE life experience than I do. If the word "interesting" means anything, they seem to be the ones who have all set.

I'm feeling a bit bummed out right, she's one real cutie and she talked about how there's so many guys that she dated and what she liked, what she didn't like. I made a few natural jokes and she seem to follow and laugh with me and really the conversation was great. I had a feeling things would've progressed even further had this "boyfriend" thing not appear.

Any thoughts? Any comments guys? All are welcomed.