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Justice · #1 02-24-2010, 11:02 PM

Tonight was pretty bad. I tried 2 times and i didn't end up with anything, but experience.

First

Went to a bar, ordered cramberry juice and went straight for a table.
1 Guy: Jake, 3 Girl: Jess(Blond), Kat (Brunnette), Ana (Black). Openning (Instincts one) didn't go so well, i stumbled on another table while sitting with them and dropped my glass. My openning was bad, because i told them i came from another bar from my friend who's the victim. Ana was curious and kept asking me how, what, when, who. My story was now vague and i screwed up, but not to the point where they found out. I recovered, even thought i knew that i was lying. I kino'ed and neg a bit to my target Jess. When i told them them i was going to smoke, Kat decided to come with me. So i switched targets. She had some IOI on me, but nothing that made me sure i can #-Close. I said i had a nice chat and left.

Second

Went to another bar, ordered the same. I was nervous for this one... 5 girls in one table (I like going for girls only table). I choked... I didn't choke for 10 minutes, i choked for 30 farking minutes. It was the worst, but i came up with a sheet of things i need to do and improve, while sitting down drinking my cramberry.
Once i walked up to them, i opened with the ex-girl shoe box. Went well, the conversation was good. I kino'ed my target much more, but still not enough and nothing that made her think i was sexually interested in her. All went good, but after that shoe box conversation, i just choked... I couldn't say anything to my target. There was a bit of negging involved also, i think i did bediocre (bad/mediocre). I couldn't isolate the target, because i didn't have any great isolation strategy. I asked if she wanted to smoke, she said no and i left.

Comments

I know what i need to improve. Being cocky funny, Sexually Kino'ing, Secually Teasing, negging more with cockyness, but funny at the sametime. I had no Disqualifications so i need good ones. Gay wont work on me, i look too much like a brute... I also have to get something called slot machine theory going.
Mind you all, this was done in a bar, where every one was sitting... Another thing to add is negging. The moment i said Jess was cruel for her opinion, she went and said: 'Why?!, i just had an opinion!!!
I could have continued to another bar/club, but was tired and didn't want to waste money on drink i really didn't want.

Instinct · #2 02-26-2010, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Know Hope

Tonight was pretty bad. I tried 2 times and i didn't end up with anything, but experience.

First

Went to a bar, ordered cramberry juice and went straight for a table.
1 Guy: Jake, 3 Girl: Jess(Blond), Kat (Brunnette), Ana (Black). Openning (Instincts one) didn't go so well, i stumbled on another table while sitting with them and dropped my glass. My openning was bad, because i told them i came from another bar from my friend who's the victim. Ana was curious and kept asking me how, what, when, who. My story was now vague and i screwed up, but not to the point where they found out. I recovered, even thought i knew that i was lying. I kino'ed and neg a bit to my target Jess. When i told them them i was going to smoke, Kat decided to come with me. So i switched targets. She had some IOI on me, but nothing that made me sure i can #-Close. I said i had a nice chat and left.

Leaving to come with you is a big IOI, closing is always a risk, it shows balls just to try. You should have said "Listen, my friend might be having a party on friday, I dont know if I am going to go, probably not, but if I do, give me your number, bring your friends."

This is much lower risk than the

"Lets go do something on the beach tonight, whats your number?" That I use when its pretty clear that something is going to happen, but logistics make it impossible at the moment.

If you get any kind of isolation, always try to at least #close.

Second

Went to another bar, ordered the same. I was nervous for this one... 5 girls in one table (I like going for girls only table). I choked... I didn't choke for 10 minutes, i choked for 30 farking minutes. It was the worst, but i came up with a sheet of things i need to do and improve, while sitting down drinking my cramberry.

Well don't worry, at least you tried, don't expect to be good overnight, this takes a ot of blow outs before you get it right, we just gotta get those blow outs out of the way.

Once i walked up to them, i opened with the ex-girl shoe box. Went well, the conversation was good. I kino'ed my target much more, but still not enough and nothing that made her think i was sexually interested in her. All went good, but after that shoe box conversation, i just choked... I couldn't say anything to my target. There was a bit of negging involved also, i think i did bediocre (bad/mediocre). I couldn't isolate the target, because i didn't have any great isolation strategy. I asked if she wanted to smoke, she said no and i left.

Good Practice

Comments

I know what i need to improve. Being cocky funny, Sexually Kino'ing, Secually Teasing, negging more with cockyness, but funny at the same time. I had no Disqualifications so i need good ones.
Gay wont work on me, i look too much like a brute... I also have to get something called slot machine theory going.

Dude, I was a 235lb ripped body builder, with a beard and scars on my hands, I dont look gay, and I did the gay disqualifier, but just say "I am so into black chics, infact, my last black girl friend gave the best blow jobs!" as banter in set, than it isnt even direct. You can reverse engineer this however you want "I am so into midgets!" , "I need a girl with lots of money!" if shes a college student.

Ignore slot machine theory for now, that isn't until comfort.

Mind you all, this was done in a bar, where every one was sitting... Another thing to add is negging. The moment i said Jess was cruel for her opinion, she went and said: 'Why?!, i just had an opinion!!!

You should have said "That is so evil!! Were you one of those little girls with a cat who was always trying to get away, but you kept squeezing her!! You are a little devil!! That rocks! Now lets go break something!" <- its playful, its fun, this isnt a debate, its a bar.

I could have continued to another bar/club, but was tired and didn't want to waste money on drink i really didn't want.

Over all, well done, now stop going to sit down places, they are to low energy, it makes it a lot harder, start going to places that serve alcohol, and everyone pretty much stands, trust me, sitting game is the next step. Lets try to get at least 15 sets opened next week.

Justice · #3 02-26-2010, 10:46 AM

Hazah!!!
Problem with Montreal on weekdays, there are not many places i can go and stand to pick up. I've got to travel a bit for that. I will try my best to improve and also get a set standing up.

Thanks Instinct.

Justice · #4 02-28-2010, 08:25 PM

My name has officially changed to Justice, thanks to Bill.

I have a field report tonight. It's not pretty. I screwed up ROYALY. I will try and keep my language filtered, because i have so much frustration within my self, it's insane.

Went to a bar and met 2 girls. FTC'ed them and Openned. It was good, everything went well until the end of the openning conversation. Negging was Sh1t (ZERO farkING neg). Kino was fark all (Only 1 kino). After the openning, i kept the conversation alive by keeping the openning alive. It was total utter Sh1tness. I couldn't get anywhere. I didn't know what to say after the openner.

I was born and raised to be uber nice and grateful to people. Negging is never my forte. I was and still am the farking p*ssy/wussy/Sh1t c*nt fark jack off that i was. I'm pissed off not at the books, vids, forum. I'm pissed at my self for totally screwing my self up the ass. AGAIN.

To be honest, i know i screwed up. I wont give up, but i have to rant. I have to let these emotions out.

In all, i just don't know what to do after the openner and i have to get rid of my nice guy thing. I care too much about everything.

Instinct · #5 03-02-2010, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justice

My name has officially changed to Justice, thanks to Bill.

I have a field report tonight. It's not pretty. I screwed up ROYALY. I will try and keep my language filtered, because i have so much frustration within my self, it's insane.

Went to a bar and met 2 girls. FTC'ed them and Openned. It was good, everything went well until the end of the openning conversation. Negging was Sh1t (ZERO farkING neg). Kino was fark all (Only 1 kino). After the openning, i kept the conversation alive by keeping the openning alive. It was total utter Sh1tness. I couldn't get anywhere. I didn't know what to say after the openner.

I was born and raised to be uber nice and grateful to people. Negging is never my forte. I was and still am the farking p*ssy/wussy/Sh1t c*nt fark jack off that i was. I'm pissed off not at the books, vids, forum. I'm pissed at my self for totally screwing my self up the ass. AGAIN.

To be honest, i know i screwed up. I wont give up, but i have to rant. I have to let these emotions out.

In all, i just don't know what to do after the openner and i have to get rid of my nice guy thing. I care too much about everything.

This is inner game, can you call the USA?

Salaami · #6 03-18-2010, 03:53 PM

Being a nice guy really doesnt stop you from getting girls. What' s stopping you from getting girls is your confidence.

Confidence is a BIG deal when you are trying to pick up girls. Not only does it mean you can hit more sets and talk to more girls, confidence is something that women pick up on as you are talking. When you approach a set full of confidence there is a difference then when you do it by forcing yourself.

More on confidence in a little, but lets focus on negging. negs dont have to be this huge rough criticisms. In fact, that's the last thing you want them to be! Negs are meant to break down a girls barriers, not to actually insult her.

Example of a good neg:
You: "What are you drinking?"
Her: "Whatever she is drinking."
You: "Ew, why would you get that? There are SO much better things to get!"

Example of a bad neg:
You: "Any actual insult."

Also it is important to note that something that could come off as an insult, when said in a joking voice, can be used as a neg and a conversation starter.

Now then, I don't know what you are using but it sounds like you are having some trouble with your actual routine, especially after your opener. I don't want to go any further into this until i know what it is though, so it would be helpful if you could post some kind of rough outline.

Back to confidence. I do think you have a good amount of confidence in yourself, the fact that you approached a 5 set on your own shows that. At this point you are doing the best thing you can, which is to get a lot of practice. But you aren't critiquing yourself well enough, which is going to mess you up. Instead of getting mad and cussing yourself out after a set goes bad, just think about what you should have done differently and next time you are with a set try not to do it. When you can see that you are improving from set to set (which you are whether you realize it or not) then you are going to start getting a lot of confidence, and then you'll start getting a lot of #,kiss,and f closes.

Justice · #7 03-19-2010, 08:11 PM

I realized this: Woman can smell the confidence and lies to some extent. It's not about the words. It's all about the action and body language.

Balls are going to have to drop on the floor.

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