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    Cool mystery method out dated?

    yo guys ill probably get grilled for not using the search button but I'm rebelling here, is mm actually outdated or is it still good to learn and follow, I understand that basic interactions won't really change, they may but not a whole lot, thanks in advance

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    Hey Hyp,

    Here's my opinion.

    I don't think it is outdated as in obsolete. There are some other systems that dish it, but the truth is it provided the foundations of seduction and much can still be learned from it. It helped alot of people.

    Mystery called it the Venusian arts and as a martial artist I can make a huge connection. In martial arts, there are a pleuthora of styles. It's not so much which style is better, but what you make out of it. Also some styles are better in certain circumstances, such as on the ground, multiple attackers, etc. There are aspects in PUA tactics that mirror it. For example:

    Jon Sinn's seduction roadmap focuses on 'consistency and commitment' and seduction starts at hello and riding the wave, getting the woman agree to let you sleep with her. Yes, it is effective, but from my analysis, it's good for a solo game.

    Mystery Method would say that you won't be able to use the same tactic in a multi-set. You come off that strong, the target's friends (some guys) will get in your way. He suggests a different approach for multi-sets inclusive to remove the cockblock and getting approval from friends.

    Martial arts have evolved into practical forms such as MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) which blend styles. I believe the art of seduction has evolved as well since the Mystery Method and the Game. For example, Nick Spark's "Big Three" if you don't use the first alpha-omega, no matter what you do, 99% of the time the girl will not be attracted to you. I found myself agreeing.

    The best thing to do is keep yourself well-rounded, understand the foundations of seduction, take the strengths of various systems and incorporate it into your game.

    That is what Bruce Lee did with martial arts. He took the strengths and the most effective aspect of each when he created Jeet Kun Do. The mutherfvcker was legend.

    I believe every PUA should do the same to take the art to a higher level.

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    haha thanks for your input, that's basically what i'm doing except i haven't really followed a blueprint, more so just taken sh1t and adapted it to fit me

    i was on my iphone before and the search is lame (atleast for me) to which i found the below lol

    http://www.puaforums.com/ask-expert/...-outdated.html

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    I think mystery method is a very good basic outline of how interactions should work as in the dynamics of the interaction, engaging the right people and controlling the set. It works well in this way and gives a nice structure which is easy to follow as a beginner. However in my opinion no one method is perfect and I don't really like too much canned material. But it's definitely a good starting point.

    Linking x

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    mm is good, i especialy like how mystery descrides the dinamics of sets and breaks the model into three stages, and what problems arise when you get stuck at different points. however he does not go into detail about important things like inner game and flirting (although he does provide some canned material for flirting it wasn't very helpful) i combined mystery methode with david x inner game, and some of the flirting techniques from ron luis and david copeland's "how to succeed with wemon" (book)

    quite currently Indirect Game works well for me in daygame at college, but for night game i would say go direct or go home

    mm is always great to have in your toolbox and as far as i'm concerned the m3 model is ageless (though other models work mm is always a good fallback)

    however, in every club/nightgame environment i have ever been in sets rarely stick around long enough for mm or the amogs just keep coming till one steels your set. being 100% alpha using Direct Game is the only way to avoid loosing out at clubs (or at least every club i've ever been to)

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    I disagree tbh meteora, I prefer indirect to a certain extent in club game, especially as a beginner, if you go o direct you just come off like every other guy eg, 'I thought you were hot, so I had to come say hi' not cool. On a dance floor you don't need to much talking tbh and the k close comes before the n close. And if you are at the bar etc then indirect is the way forward, just chat about general hings then ask her to dance and close there hope this is legible, I'm drunk lol

    Linking x

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    thanks for the input guys ) were there different versions off MM or was there only say eg a 1.0?

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    i don't think mystery made any different versions of it, but almost ever dating model is based off of mm ie (vin dicarlo's system(i forget exactly what its called) is basically mm without the comfort stage, instead he uses a Kino ladder to break strait from a3 to s1)

    i think every pua who started out using mm adapted it in some way to suit their needs and circumstances.

    @linking the clubs in the uk might be different, but if i indirect approached girls in the clubs here some AMOG would come along and go hardcore direct and steal my set. though Indirect Game can be effectively used in nightgame, direct works better where i'm from

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    righto, correct me if i'm wrong but it's only around 65 - 70 pages?

    EDIT: scratch that there was a 2nd edition 224 pages long lel

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    Default Re: mystery method out dated?

    yeah, i have the second edition, definately at least 200 pages. its a good read though, and i especialy like the punishment/reward dynamic that he mentions in the c1 chapter. it explains how to use your ioi's and IOD's that you give a girl to "punish or reward her" for her behavior. it is the finest aproach to behavioral modification that i have found with regards to dating.


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