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    Default Went to complete nutrition ........

    Today I went to complete nutrition, holy crap I have a lot of products to review and many questions

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    6'1" 160 to 170 depending on day
    I try to eat as much as possible but still cannot add mass

    Using celucore pre workout caffeine based creotine free pre workout
    Amp protein supplement 90 calories per serving 35g protein with many amino acids

    I was advised get rid of stimulant based pre workout and go to havok is the name of the pre workout it has some blood vessel dilator instead to increase blood flow

    I was also recommended a stack with a hgh from soto supplements, achievement through science has another item that was recommended to take with it called alpha.

    Finally I was recommended to take protein supplement called immense that has some odd 800 calories per serving with skim milk instead of water it is like just over 1000 calories

    Also recommended to drink half gallon of chocolate milk because it is like 2000 calories but split up throughout the day.

    Anyone know any of these products or think that any of this is over the top? I think it makes sense I am probably over doing it on my workouts and my body is using muscle to fuel because I am not getting enough calorie intake. Also little lost on the hormone supplements are they good or will they eff up my body?


    Any help would be appreciated greatly

    All together the 2 month supply of recommended items is just shy of six bills with the first time buyer discount if I buy the stack I get two protein containers free 180 dollar value. Before I commit to it I just want to know is it relatively safe and is it worth it. I can deal with the price but only if it is good for my health.
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Please don't buy this shit. Go read up for yourself, figure out what kind of stack you need, and go from there. Never take supplementing advice from a nutrition/supplement store. To answer your specific questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by hometownextra View Post
    Today I went to complete nutrition, holy crap I have a lot of products to review and many questions

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    26 years old
    6'1" 160 to 170 depending on day
    I try to eat as much as possible but still cannot add mass

    Using celucore pre workout caffeine based creotine free pre workout

    It will be cheaper and more effective to take a pure creatine monohydrate and a caffeine supplement. If you're buying creatine I suggest buying from a source that uses Creapure creatine, as it is regarded as the best. But really doesn't matter overall.

    Amp protein supplement 90 calories per serving 35g protein with many amino acids

    "Amino acids" or BCAAs in protein supplements are not free flowing BCAAs and therefore are not as effective as BCAA supplements on there own. I'd look into an intra-workout mix, like Scivation Xtend or a similar product. As for protein, you don't need a protein Isolate (unless you're trying to lose weight or your lactose intolerant) and it will be cheaper and more effective for you to use a protein concentrate or mix. Maybe look into something like BSN's Syntha-6. It's a isolate/concentrate mix which will give you the benefits of quick absorbing isolates and slower absorbing concentrates. A concentrate also has more calories which is ideal for your goals.

    I was advised get rid of stimulant based pre workout and go to havok is the name of the pre workout it has some blood vessel dilator instead to increase blood flow

    You don't need crap like this, but if you want to use it go for it. Basically, this product is just caffeine, taurine, and L-Arginine. L-Arginine is what you refer to as a "blood vessel dilator." It is an NO stimulator, which in turn is supposed to dilate blood vessels, causing a greater pump. There's very little science behind NO enhancers, and I would chalk much of it up to speculation. I wouldn't waste my money on this supplement personally.

    I was also recommended a stack with a hgh from soto supplements, achievement through science has another item that was recommended to take with it called alpha.

    Don't get into fake hormone boosters. How long have you been lifting? If you want to get into steroids, do that, but don't fuck with hormone boosters, they'll just eat your money.

    Finally I was recommended to take protein supplement called immense that has some odd 800 calories per serving with skim milk instead of water it is like just over 1000 calories

    You're better of getting your calories through diet than through a supplement like this. Take it if you must, but again, I wouldn't.

    Also recommended to drink half gallon of chocolate milk because it is like 2000 calories but split up throughout the day.

    There is NO WAY you need as many calories as you are talking about. 3500 Kcal max should get you gaining lean muscle mass.

    Anyone know any of these products or think that any of this is over the top? I think it makes sense I am probably over doing it on my workouts and my body is using muscle to fuel because I am not getting enough calorie intake. Also little lost on the hormone supplements are they good or will they eff up my body?


    Any help would be appreciated greatly

    All together the 2 month supply of recommended items is just shy of six bills with the first time buyer discount if I buy the stack I get two protein containers free 180 dollar value. Before I commit to it I just want to know is it relatively safe and is it worth it. I can deal with the price but only if it is good for my health.
    My best advice is to go and read up and educate yourself. When it comes to weightlifting, nutrition, and general fitness, it's your body and wallet we are talking about. Don't take anyone's advice without first checking into it. If you have any questions let me know. But this stack is terrible IMO. It's a waste of money.

    Also, don't forget other things like:

    -A Multivitamin
    -Vitamin C
    -Fish Oil
    -Vitamin D
    -Glutamine

    I'd recommend casein powder at night as a means to slow down night time catabolism.
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Picked up peanut butter, milk, honey, bulk protein

    Dude at gym told me 12oz milk 2 big scoops of peanut butter 2 scoops of protein and some honey in a blender is like 700calories, plenty of protein, rather tasty, and pretty cheap.

    Now I just need an Effin blender
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Yeah be wary of what they tell you, they're just gonna try to get you to buy the most expensive crap. You seem to be an ectomorph, so the most important thing for you is going to be diet, and the first thing you need to buy is a food scale. Measure and track EVERYTHING you eat, that way you know exactly what you're taking in. Consistency is the key here. Once you have your diet ironed out, then you focus on adding supplements to make it more effective.

    For trying to grow, cabrs and protein are your friend. Eat lots of steak and chicken, and white rice.

    Once you have that worked out, here's what I recommend:

    1. Musclepharm Assault (pre workout, I have used this for years and it is awesome! Just don't use more than the recommended serving.)

    2. BSN AminoX (intra-workout, spares muscle when you're burning calories)

    3. BSN Syntha6 (post workout and meal replacement, a good balanced protein product).

    Good luck with your fitness goals! I myself am an NPC Physique competitor training for a competition in 10 weeks, so if you have any more questions let me know. Been doing this for a long time, and am also an ACSM certified personal trainer.

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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    imo, the fewer supplements you take, the better. I like to just eat honey everyday and then eat tuna, or beef after I workout (I like to workout before super) and drink at least 1-2 glasses of 2% milk everyday. for me this has worked like a charm to keep me from burning muscle when I workout.

    I would definitely stay away from any hormone supplements, and/or stay away from stimulants as well. you can quickly develop a dependence on that sh!t if you use it every day.

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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    imo, the fewer supplements you take, the better. I like to just eat honey everyday and then eat tuna, or beef after I workout (I like to workout before super) and drink at least 1-2 glasses of 2% milk everyday. for me this has worked like a charm to keep me from burning muscle when I workout.
    I can't agree with this at all. There is a reason athletes take a sh1t ton of supplements, and that's because using the right supplements work.

    When you're first starting out, the most important thing to do is to get your diet in order. However, you'll quickly find that you're not making great gains with diet alone. Once you hit that area of diminishing returns, there are some really great products on the market that can safely help you achieve great results.

    The key is being educated about what you're putting into your body. If you want to try a supplement go read about it first. Focus on the scientific studies and negative material about the product to make sure you actually want to use it.
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    If you want mass, eat more than your caloric maintenance level. For example, if its at 2500-3000...eat 4000-5000. Also look into the GOMAD diet. It's universal truth that you have to eat and lift heavy weights if you want to gain mass. You don't nessecarily need to waste money on supplements. Much better if you go natural...maybe some creatine...but nothing else. A lot of sups you'll have to take forever just to maintain what they gave you, and if you don't maintain them...you're SOL.

    I'm a power lifter...getting stronger...but I'm also putting on mass. Look up these programs:

    Starting Strength
    Strong Lifts 5x5
    Madcow 5x5

    I would highly suggest the Starting strength forums. Google Starting Strength gaining mass. Just remember, you won't get the attractive looking cut right away when you're building mass. When you bulk up to the point you want...then you'll go into a caloric deficit. For that...I would suggest Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle.

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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Quote Originally Posted by luckoftheirish54 View Post
    If you want mass, eat more than your caloric maintenance level. For example, if its at 2500-3000...eat 4000-5000. Also look into the GOMAD diet. It's universal truth that you have to eat and lift heavy weights if you want to gain mass. You don't nessecarily need to waste money on supplements. Much better if you go natural...maybe some creatine...but nothing else. A lot of sups you'll have to take forever just to maintain what they gave you, and if you don't maintain them...you're SOL.

    I'm a power lifter...getting stronger...but I'm also putting on mass. Look up these programs:

    Starting Strength
    Strong Lifts 5x5
    Madcow 5x5

    I would highly suggest the Starting strength forums. Google Starting Strength gaining mass. Just remember, you won't get the attractive looking cut right away when you're building mass. When you bulk up to the point you want...then you'll go into a caloric deficit. For that...I would suggest Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle.
    Creating a surplus and lifting heavy is good advice, but the rest of what you're saying is crap. You're just spreading misinformation that is more harmful than beneficial. So please, stop.

    Please, enlighten me as to what "supplements" you will lose your gains if you go off of? Actually, creatine is one that if you go off of you may lose a tiny bit of strength, but it's negligible.

    We aren't talking about getting on gear here. With gear you will lose "some" of your gains once you go off of it, but even then, what you gain after the loss will still be significantly greater than what you would have going natural (not condoning or condemning steroid use).

    BTW, when lifters reference "natural" lifting, supplements are part of that. Going "natural" means you're not touching performance-enhancing drugs, like anabolics, growth hormones, etc. So please, don't start spreading misinformation.

    There are so many great products out there and products that everyone should be taking, not just weightlifters, that to make statements like this is just nonsense. Educate yourself before you try to educate others.
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Quote Originally Posted by T-1000 View Post
    Yeah be wary of what they tell you, they're just gonna try to get you to buy the most expensive crap. You seem to be an ectomorph, so the most important thing for you is going to be diet, and the first thing you need to buy is a food scale. Measure and track EVERYTHING you eat, that way you know exactly what you're taking in. Consistency is the key here. Once you have your diet ironed out, then you focus on adding supplements to make it more effective.

    For trying to grow, cabrs and protein are your friend. Eat lots of steak and chicken, and white rice.

    Once you have that worked out, here's what I recommend:

    1. Musclepharm Assault (pre workout, I have used this for years and it is awesome! Just don't use more than the recommended serving.)

    2. BSN AminoX (intra-workout, spares muscle when you're burning calories)

    3. BSN Syntha6 (post workout and meal replacement, a good balanced protein product).

    Good luck with your fitness goals! I myself am an NPC Physique competitor training for a competition in 10 weeks, so if you have any more questions let me know. Been doing this for a long time, and am also an ACSM certified personal trainer.
    This is a great basic stack that would get someone started. I like throwing in creatine and glutamine as well, but it's not needed. Especially when you're first starting out.
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    Default Re: Went to complete nutrition ........

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuke View Post
    Creating a surplus and lifting heavy is good advice, but the rest of what you're saying is crap. You're just spreading misinformation that is more harmful than beneficial. So please, stop.

    Please, enlighten me as to what "supplements" you will lose your gains if you go off of? Actually, creatine is one that if you go off of you may lose a tiny bit of strength, but it's negligible.

    We aren't talking about getting on gear here. With gear you will lose "some" of your gains once you go off of it, but even then, what you gain after the loss will still be significantly greater than what you would have going natural (not condoning or condemning steroid use).

    BTW, when lifters reference "natural" lifting, supplements are part of that. Going "natural" means you're not touching performance-enhancing drugs, like anabolics, growth hormones, etc. So please, don't start spreading misinformation.

    There are so many great products out there and products that everyone should be taking, not just weightlifters, that to make statements like this is just nonsense. Educate yourself before you try to educate others.
    When I talk natural, as has been told to me by many lifters, is using creatine, and whey protein. Nothing else. So maybe we have different experiences, but what Ive said is not crap and is taken directly from experts. So, no, not misinformation.

    As far as the different supplements...90 percent of the crap you can get in GNC. If you don't keep taking some of those supplements (Not the nutrients like fish oils etc...) such as volumizers...etc...y ou lose the benefits.

    Anything else I said, as far as the programs, they work, I've done them. They come from Glenn Pendlay, who...just happens to be an Olympic gold medalist coach. Actually...these programs started from the 1950's. So...is that the crap you're saying I'm misinformed about?

    Just curious


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